Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

Shakethedisease

mwpt wrote: »

You are really blinkered when it comes to the Tories, amongst other things. Why are you so prejudiced?

The Tories haven't been particularly relevant in Scottish politics for decades. That's fact not prejudice. Their policies and politics aren't vote winners and don't look likely to be any time soon.

They do want to get rid of European Human Rights laws, and they do want to do away with Workplace directives among other things. There is an element of EU support that shudders in horror at a Brexit wondering where it will all end up UK wise if left to the Conservative party. Especially the more right wing of the party ( Fox, Duncan-Smith, Redwood etc ) which more middle ground leaders like Cameron seem to have to keep happy all the time. Unless Labour makes ground they look like being in power for a while yet.

Viewed from Scotland at least. I don't think it's a very attractive option going forward if we're out of the EU. I hope we vote to stay for many reasons, but the above is certainly one of them.

Generali

Shakethedisease wrote: »

I hope the Remain side don't use the Scotland card too much during the next four months. Getting rid of both Scotland and the EU in one go is seen as a huge bonus to lots of voters in England. :cool:

Not really. Most people in England only consider Scotland when thinking of a whisky to buy or the Calcutta Cup is coming up.

Shakethedisease

Generali wrote: »

Not really. Most people in England only consider Scotland when thinking of a whisky to buy or the Calcutta Cup is coming up.

Yes. Quite. :doh:Let's hope they don't overegg the pudding too much. Or we could see endless headlines appearing... Like today !

Tuesday 23 February 2016

No 10 signals prospect Brexit could spark second indy poll

DOWNING Street has signalled for the first time that a vote to leave the EU could raise the prospect of a second Scottish independence plebiscite.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/14294657.No_10_signals_prospect_Brexit_could_spark_second_indy_poll/

23 February 2016

Tony Blair claims the UK would break up if Britain leaves the EU in first intervention from former Prime Minister

Tony Blair warned today that leaving the EU would trigger the break up of the United Kingdom.

In his first intervention on the EU referendum campaign since David Cameron called the vote for June 23, the former Prime Minister predicted that the SNP's demands for a second referendum would be impossible to ignore if Scottish voters are taken out of the EU against their will.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3460706/Tony-Blair-claims-UK-break-Britain-leaves-EU-intervention-former-Prime-Minister.html

elantan

They brought the big guns out early I see ... could they be keeping brown for Scotland ?

wotsthat

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Yes. Quite. :doh:Let's hope they don't overegg the pudding too much. Or we could see endless headlines appearing... Like today !

Oh you'll get plenty of articles - that's how newspapers make their money today - clickbait. The overegging might be in calling these headlines.

If you had a pound every time I had a non-internet discussion, or heard one, about the Scottish referendum you'd have a pound. Don't expect to retire on how many times I hear Scotland mentioned in the context of the EU referendum.

You're massively over-estimating how much attention people give to the issues that matter to you.

wotsthat

elantan wrote: »

They brought the big guns out early I see ... could they be keeping brown for Scotland ?

You're allowed an opinion - isn't he?

ruggedtoast

The Conservatives. The name is a bit of a giveaway. It looks like Cameron is now flailing around trying to frighten Tory voters into voting Stay otherwise they risk the dissolution of this sacred union of nations.

Or is he? I have doubts as to whether those people really care one way or the other. Jobs may be at risj, but certainly not his or anyone he knows.

He went to Brussels with a lot of bold statements about sovereignty and self determination, and came back with a guarantee that if Britain votes to stay in, the Tories' friends in the City of London won't be subject to any EU banking regulation.

Of course they won't be subject to any regulation if we vote to leave either. As this country has pretty much turned itself over backward and inside out to ensure that the banking industry doesn't experience one iota of the pain that has been inflicted on taxpayers in bailing out its excesses and incompetence, we may consider that he has got what he wanted.

Personally I hope the SNP does press for another vote. They could start making contingency plans for a second referendum in July depending on the BREXIT vote in June,. I want to see the Tories justify why we have to stay in Europe because so far this is just another policy that offers precious little for anyone who works for a living.

Thrugelmir

Shakethedisease wrote: »

The Tories haven't been particularly relevant in Scottish politics for decades.

The SNP likewise if you look back at history.

Shakethedisease

Thrugelmir wrote: »

The SNP likewise if you look back at history.

Look a little further. Most forward steps in devolution so far over the last decades have been in direct response to a rise in SNP support or to 'devolution will kill nationalism stone dead' if you like.

The Labour party embraced devolution in 1974 as a response to the electoral successes of the SNP. "The surge in support for the SNP at the elections of February and October 1974 were seen as major factors in Labour's decision to bring forward devolution proposals.

"The rise of the SNP and Scottish nationalism as well as fears of perhaps losing the support of the Scottish electorate prompted then Labour Prime Minister Harold Wilson to make a firm commitment to devolution. In the late 1970s Labour brought forward proposals to develop a Scottish Assembly....

...The devolution of power from Westminster to Scotland is more of a reaction to growing voter support of nationalist sentiment than general concern with constitutional reform. It was not until economic and political circumstances improved for the SNP that devolution became a concern of the UK Government. As Leicester explained in his 1996 article entitled Journey Without Maps:...

The Scottish National Party's influence, however, has not died down as a result of Labour's devolution legislation. Though most scholars speculated that devolution would kill off the demand for Scottish independence, support for the SNP has only risen.

https://www.globalpolicy.org/component/content/article/171/29750.html

The Eu referendum being called was kind of along the same lines. Only it was UKIP Cameron was trying to kill off. Strange times.

Thrugelmir

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Look a little further. Most forward steps in devolution so far over the last decades have been in direct response to a rise in SNP support or to 'devolution will kill nationalism stone dead' if you like.

From 1969.

Oil was discovered in the North Sea off of Scotland.

The SNP claimed that the oil was Scottish and that the drain in money to London was all but theft of another nation’s capital. The SNP claimed that the wealth that Scotland would derive from oil would enable the nation to have a successful independent economy that was not dependent on London.

Same old record. There's a new generation to listen to it currently. How long will they now remain engaged.