Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

elantan

And today we get the business leaders letter ... funnily enough Asda got involved ... I find that hard to believe:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Do you think we will get a please don't go begging letter from celebs like Dan Snow?

I wonder if all the companies threatening to leave will leave anyway once the stay vote has been decided ...

kabayiri

The business letter can't be any surprise.

They interviewed workers at a biscuit firm the other day. Half the 250 employees working there come from Europe (the usual places).

These people are cheap and work hard. Firms don't want to pay more for UK people if they don't have to.

Rinoa

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Those that voted Yes want to see full political power's concerning Scotland at Holyrood.

...and Brussels.

kabayiri

I think Nicola Sturgeon should join George Galloway; Nigel Farage; and Boris in the Leave campaign...to make a new gang of four.

Imagine the film rights! It would make the Fantastic Four seem like a lightweight.

Danny Boyle would be wetting himself. I can't decide who will play Nicola's character though : Kate Winslet or the smaller of the Crankies.

mwpt

Shakethedisease wrote: »

The reasons are political in nature rather than emotional. I've maintained that from the start. Those that voted Yes want to see full political power's concerning Scotland at Holyrood.

Based on an emotional rather than rational desire.

mwpt

Rinoa wrote: »

...and Brussels.

Heh, sorry yes, and Brussels. Just not Westminster.

Generali

elantan wrote: »

And today we get the business leaders letter ... funnily enough Asda got involved ... I find that hard to believe:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Do you think we will get a please don't go begging letter from celebs like Dan Snow?

I wonder if all the companies threatening to leave will leave anyway once the stay vote has been decided ...

I don't fink that the EU has the same emotional pull the UK does so I doubt that there will be that sort of appeal to emotion.

The EU debate from the Remain will, I expect, be more based around fear of the unknown and the positive benefits of EU membership.

The EU debate is a lot more esoteric. Perhaps the Leave lot have it slightly easier as they aren't going to lose Prodi from the stamps and the coins and all that guff that Bagehot called the 'dignified' part of the constitution.

Maybe that's one area where the EU has missed a trick. There really isn't much of a dignified part of the EU. Okay there's a flag and an anthem but there is no state opening of Parliament or big fly by or army uniform or anything much at all really. It's all quite drearily functional.

Perhaps there should be an EU holiday. De Gaule's birthday. We could all go on strike for the day

Shakethedisease

mwpt wrote: »

Based on an emotional rather than rational desire.

Political. The Conservatives haven't been seen in Scotland for decades now as representative enough of people's views to garner any meaningful voting share. Since 2007, Labour has gone slowly but surely the same way. First in devolved matters, and more recently in reserved matters in Westminster.

A lot of Scots simply feel that a Westminster run by a party 50%+ of the time, by a party that was rejected decades ago is getting a little tedious, and that sadly Labour wasn't much better despite decades of votes in their direction. Not when there's a perfectly good parliament here already up and running, and for the first time willing ( Labour was never that ).. to take over the reins fully in Scotland.

( I underplayed that using the word tedious ).

Shakethedisease

Generali wrote: »

I don't fink that the EU has the same emotional pull the UK does so I doubt that there will be that sort of appeal to emotion.

The EU debate from the Remain will, I expect, be more based around fear of the unknown and the positive benefits of EU membership.

The EU debate is a lot more esoteric. Perhaps the Leave lot have it slightly easier as they aren't going to lose Prodi from the stamps and the coins and all that guff that Bagehot called the 'dignified' part of the constitution.

Maybe that's one area where the EU has missed a trick. There really isn't much of a dignified part of the EU. Okay there's a flag and an anthem but there is no state opening of Parliament or big fly by or army uniform or anything much at all really. It's all quite drearily functional.

Perhaps there should be an EU holiday. De Gaule's birthday. We could all go on strike for the day

Cameron's problem in comparison to the independence referendum is that while Salmond was used as a hated figurehead so that lots of Labour, and other people could get behind No because they didn't like him anyway.

A lot of people voted Conservative, or switched their vote back to Conservative from UKIP because they wanted the chance to vote out of the EU. The Tories spent a lot of time during the GE campaign touting the fact that 'only by voting for us can you be sure of a referendum'. That wasn't an appeal to remain voters, it was one to Leavers. One that might be biting on the rear end now.

I hope the Remain side don't use the Scotland card too much during the next four months. Getting rid of both Scotland and the EU in one go is seen as a huge bonus to lots of voters in England. :cool:

wotsthat

Shakethedisease wrote: »

I hope the Remain side don't use the Scotland card too much during the next four months. Getting rid of both Scotland and the EU in one go is seen as a huge bonus to lots of voters in England. :cool:

Despite the SNP skill in developing nationalism in Scotland they've utterly failed to stir up any English nationalism which must be disappointing for them.

As a result there's no Scotland card to play. The only conversation I've ever had about Scottish independence was with my wife watching the news on the night of the vote. I don't think I've ever heard anyone mention it before or since.

Yes, it's a factor that might bear consideration when deciding which way to vote in June but it's on the insignificant side of things.