Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

elantan

Shakethedisease wrote: »

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And right doll, that's plenty wi' the cockney geezer stuff.

I'm sure Gen talks like that in real life and only changes to English when he's online

mwpt

Generali wrote: »

The fact is that frackers in the US that can get oil out of the ground at ~$40/bbl

Whoah. I haven't been following closely, is this true? Got a source? Is it just the very cheapest sites?

Generali

mwpt wrote: »

Whoah. I haven't been following closely, is this true? Got a source? Is it just the very cheapest sites?

My source is the oil and mining analyst at work. Reuters seems to back him up (and yes, that figure is for the cheapest sites):

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSL1N0XJ1BU20150422

kabayiri

Generali wrote: »

My source is the oil and mining analyst at work. Reuters seems to back him up (and yes, that figure is for the cheapest sites):

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSL1N0XJ1BU20150422

Surely it must be cheaper to float a huge steel structure out into some of the stormiest seas around; anchor it to a sea bed thousands of metres below; and then try and drill and transport the oil back to shore

Once capital and R&D costs come out of the fracking equation (maybe some of the operators will end up going bust and writing off speculator investment) then the fracking operations will look cheaper.

I do think the SNP have to strike now if they are to ever hope for independence. They could probably haggle a great deal out of a Westminster government under pressure to get rid of a major cost centre too.

kabayiri

skintmacflint wrote: »

Seems like a lot of wishful thinking in this post. Has it not occurred to you Nicola Selfies new independence spin is simply aimed at keeping her noisey supporters on a leash. Nothing in that article of any significance at all, nor in anything she said herself either for that matter.

All these independence threads have been full of wishful thinking.

I remember the GE carnage predictions resulting from a strangled hung or fragile coallition government.

In the end, it was a mundane Tory win. To prevent another majority Tory win the SNP strategy is .... to point out the weakness of Labour :rotfl:

Generali

kabayiri wrote: »

Surely it must be cheaper to float a huge steel structure out into some of the stormiest seas around; anchor it to a sea bed thousands of metres below; and then try and drill and transport the oil back to shore

Once capital and R&D costs come out of the fracking equation (maybe some of the operators will end up going bust and writing off speculator investment) then the fracking operations will look cheaper.

I do think the SNP have to strike now if they are to ever hope for independence. They could probably haggle a great deal out of a Westminster government under pressure to get rid of a major cost centre too.

My take on it is that a lot of frackers in the US are going to go bust and the assets bought up on the cheap by mid-sized players.

Effectively, all they have to do then is cover operating costs. As a result, oil prices will stay low (IMHO).

The SNP had their chance for independence and blew it. It really was a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity but it's gone. All that the No lot need to do in any future campaign is point out the finances of an independent Scotland at which point you'd have to be an idiot or a fanatic to vote Yes.

HornetSaver

kabayiri wrote: »

I do think the SNP have to strike now if they are to ever hope for independence. They could probably haggle a great deal out of a Westminster government under pressure to get rid of a major cost centre too.

They're going to use the recent floods as the perfect time to state that they want Doncaster?

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Shakethedisease wrote: »

I am sorry Generali. And I know it will take a few years yet. But there's no way, on this planet that Scots voters will continue voting to stay in a union/Westminster where they don't feel politically represented at all. There's just no point. People will vote out regardless of oil prices. Even Alex Massie above recognises that.

Shakey, genuine question here.

I accept you believe that is the case (although I disagree with you).

But do you think it is because....

1) Voters do not understand the enormity of the cuts and austerity that would be made?

2) Voters do not believe those cuts would be made, and we'd find a way to muddle through?

or

3) Voters understand the country would be screwed, and don't care?

.string.

HornetSaver wrote: »

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That precedent, and those conditions, included a bilateral agreement on the fact that the referendum would be binding and how it would be conducted. Barring a constitutional crisis, it would be at least a decade before a referendum held without agreement with Westminster would be likely to be considered to meet that by countries who would otherwise be neutral on the subject. And barring Brexit it'd be at least that long before Westminster would recognize a vote. I'm not saying that's right or wrong, simply that that's what would happen.
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I agree that an illegal referendum would have consequences, but I am quite happy that Shakey defends it with her bluster and hope that she and the rest of the SNP take that course if they try to force a referendum.

Shakethedisease

skintmacflint wrote: »

Seems like a lot of wishful thinking in this post. Has it not occurred to you Nicola Selfies new independence spin is simply aimed at keeping her noisey supporters on a leash. Nothing in that article of any significance at all, nor in anything she said herself either for that matter.

A few months before the referendum I posted here that forgetting the referendum, the SNP strangely seem to be starting to gain ground in Westminster polls.. and wouldn't it be interesting if they lost the referendum only to..... I got absolute pelters. You can imagine right ?

If I had listened to posts like yours ( and believe me I do ), and taken any of them at all seriously, or to heart however...I'd still be wondering why the Conservatives or Labour hadn't swept the board in Scotland May 15 as folks like you and most of Scottish Labour were 'wishfully thinking'. And why Fatty Salmond ( giggle giggle ) hadn't retired in complete disgrace from politics altogether. The SNP on a dismal 2 Westminster seats crushed after the referendum loss.

I'd say on the whole, I reflect rather well, a fair old swathe of current Scottish opinion. I'm also quite confident in my posts of what I hear and see going on around me politically daily. Even if you don't agree with my views.