Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

Mistermeaner

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Oh no. You don't get away with that. It would apparently have been some kind of catastrophic apocalyptic disaster if Scotland had voted Yes and been 'kicked out' of the EU. I sat in front of my laptop reading screeds of the stuff, and spending a lot of time here debating the pros and cons.

However, the UK being out of the EU, will be a breeze will it ? You don't make sense. Sorry.
Very simply. A referendum in which a majority of Scots vote to leave the UK will do the trick. That's all it will take. After those votes tonight.. looking more likely by the day. But really, there's no need to overcomplicate things.

This makes no sense

Can you not see the difference between the UK leaving the eu and Scotland leaving the UK?

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

What a brilliant result.

All but 7 Tories.

66 Labour MP's defied Corbyn and his team of pressure groups and CyberTrolls egregious bullying to do the right thing.

And whilst Cameron was statesmanlike throughout, the speech of the day award goes to Hilary Benn, who said...

We know that in June, four gay men were thrown off the fifth story of a building [in a Syrian city].

We know that in August the 82-year-old guardian of the antiquities of Palmyra, Professor Khaled al-Asaad, was beheaded and his beheaded body was hung from a traffic light.

And we know that in recent weeks there has been the discovery of mass graves in Sinjar, one containing the bodies of older Yazidi women murdered by Daesh because they were judged too old to be sold for sex.

We know they have killed 30 British tourists in Tunisia. 224 Russian holidaymakers on a plane. 178 people in suicide bombings in Beirut, Ankara and Surat. 130 people in Paris, including those young people in the Bataclan, whom Daesh in trying to justify their slaughter called them apostates engaged in prostitution and vice. If it had happened here, they could have been our children and we know that they are plotting more attacks.

So the question is this, given that we know what they are doing, can we really stand aside and refuse to act fully in our self defence against those who are planning those attacks.

Can we really leave to others the responsibility for defending our national security when it is our responsibility and if they do we do not act what kind of message would that send about our solidarity with those countries that have suffered so much including Iraq and our ally France.

Now France wants us to stand with them and President Hollande the leader of our sister socialist party has asked for our assistance and help...

As a party, we have always been defined by our internationalism. We believe we have a responsibility, one to another. We never have and we never should walk by on the other side of the road.

And we are here faced by fascists. Not just their calculated brutality, but their belief that they are superior to every single one of us in this chamber tonight and all of the people we represent.

They hold us in contempt. They hold our values in contempt. They hold our belief in tolerance and decency in contempt. They hold our democracy – the means by which we will make our decision tonight – in contempt.

And what we know about fascists is that they need to be defeated and it is why, as we have heard tonight, socialists and trade unionists were just one part of the international brigade in the 1930s to fight against Franco. It’s why this entire House stood up against Hitler and Mussolini.

It’s why our party has always stood up against the denial of human rights and for justice and my view, Mr Speaker, is that we must now confront this evil.

It is now time for us to do our bit in Syria and that is why I ask my colleagues to vote in favour of this motion tonight.

Which earned the rarest of accolades from the house, a round of applause, against parliamentary tradition.

And puts the disgraceful behaviour of the SNP thoroughly to shame.

The SNP contingent voted against action to target the murderous death cult who throw people off buildings for being gay, who behead historians and aid workers, who rape and slaughter women of different faiths, and who have murdered hundreds of Europeans in terrorist attacks this year.

They would rather appease ISIS than act, would rather allow them safe haven in Syria than degrade their capabilities, and would turn a blind eye to the UN resolution calling for action, and the appeals of our allies.

wotsthat

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Yougov got the 45/55% correct(ish) on the day of the referendum. Their Scottish poll methodology is fine. It was Labour/Conservative they were way out with during the General Election. Scottish polls were more or less accurate from all pollsters. A BIG SNP win and record breaking swings. And so it proved.

Can you see there's a difference between asking how people might vote today when the vote is tomorrow and asking how they might vote when the vote is in 20 years?

Shakethedisease

wotsthat wrote: »

Yes, despite all the protestations from the SNP the UK continues to overspend.

Don't do Twitter so I'm not in on the in joke.

The SNP only had 6 MP's in Westminster until May. A brave call from you trying to pin the Scottish as being willing partners in UK overspending for the last two decades....on a party that has only been the third largest in Westminster for 6 months though. Scotland gets a block grant/gets what it's given and like it or lump it.

( it's an Alistair Darling parody account. Made famous during the ref for constantly describing the SNP as vile, and ending every sentence in 'frankly'. He draws unsuspecting pro-indy supporters into commenting furiously... before someone laughingly points out it's a parody account. Vile. Frankly ).

Shakethedisease

wotsthat wrote: »

Can you see there's a difference between asking how people might vote today when the vote is tomorrow and asking how they might vote when the vote is in 20 years?

Of course. But that didn't make the Scottish polls incorrect. Or incorrect now.

Generali

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Yougov has indeed modified it's methodology since the election. Of course they have.. they got it wrong. They've modified it in order to take into account turnout differential between Labour and Conservative voters. This means Labour and 'others' which include the SNP ) are downweighted in their most recent UK wide ( not Scottish only ) polls..

Are you sure they've updated? I thought only Survation have so far.

wotsthat

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Oh no. You don't get away with that. It would apparently have been some kind of catastrophic apocalyptic disaster if Scotland had voted Yes and been 'kicked out' of the EU. I sat in front of my laptop reading screeds of the stuff, and spending a lot of time here debating the pros and cons.

However, the UK being out of the EU, will be a breeze will it ? You don't make sense. Sorry.
Very simply. A referendum in which a majority of Scots vote to leave the UK will do the trick. That's all it will take. After those votes tonight.. looking more likely by the day. But really, there's no need to overcomplicate things.

I'm amazed a vote about war in Syria is extrapolated by nationalists to demonstrate the 'massive' differences between the peoples of Scotland and the UK.

I hate nationalism.

Shakethedisease

Generali wrote: »

Are you sure they've updated? I thought only Survation have so far.

Yes they have.

elantan

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

What a brilliant result.

All but 7 Tories.

66 Labour MP's defied Corbyn and his team of pressure groups and CyberTrolls egregious bullying to do the right thing.

And whilst Cameron was statesmanlike throughout, the speech of the day award goes to Hilary Benn, who said...



Which earned the rarest of accolades from the house, a round of applause, against parliamentary tradition.

And puts the disgraceful behaviour of the SNP thoroughly to shame.

Ahhh so a round of applause is OK when it's about murdering innocent people ...


Just not allowed at all if it's someone from the SNP talking

Shakethedisease

Mistermeaner wrote: »

This makes no sense

Can you not see the difference between the UK leaving the eu and Scotland leaving the UK?

Yes. But the arguments to stay in will be exactly the same. I excluded currency from your points. Because it's a non-issue. But everything else will be complete doomsday if the UK leaves. In actuality, no-one knows what will happen if the UK does.