Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

Shakethedisease

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

What a brilliant result.

All but 7 Tories.

66 Labour MP's defied Corbyn and his team of pressure groups and CyberTrolls egregious bullying to do the right thing.

And whilst Cameron was statesmanlike throughout, the speech of the day award goes to Hilary Benn, who said...



Which earned the rarest of accolades from the house, a round of applause, against parliamentary tradition.

And puts the disgraceful behaviour of the SNP thoroughly to shame.

The SNP contingent voted against action to target the murderous death cult who throw people off buildings for being gay, who behead historians and aid workers, who rape and slaughter women of different faiths, and who have murdered hundreds of Europeans in terrorist attacks this year.

They would rather appease ISIS than act, would rather allow them safe haven in Syria than degrade their capabilities, and would turn a blind eye to the UN resolution calling for action, and the appeals of our allies.

Sickening.

Well Hamish, you've got your airstrikes. I hope you're right on what they will accomplish. This is way, way bigger than just the SNP. So there's no point in replying further.

However, as I said there was never going to be any way the SNP would vote for this. And we knew it when we voted them in at the General Election.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

elantan wrote: »

Ahhh so a round of applause is OK when it's about murdering innocent people ...


Just not allowed at all if it's someone from the SNP talking

If anyone from the SNP ever demonstrates such a cross party, non-partisan, display of statesmanship they'll have earned it too.

However given today's shallow, self-serving, act of betrayal of the Scottish people by the SNP I doubt it'll be any time soon.

Generali

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Yes they have.

I can't find the link but I know that the BES doesn't report its preliminary findings until Jan and I was under the impression that everyone except Com Res (not Survation) and BMG were waiting until then to update their methods using sociological adjustment to likelihood to vote weights.

I follow Anthony Wells' blog and am pretty sure I'm right.

wotsthat

Shakethedisease wrote: »

The SNP only had 6 MP's in Westminster until May. A brave call from you trying to pin the Scottish as being willing partners in UK overspending for the last two decades....on a party that has only been the third largest in Westminster for 6 months though. Scotland gets a block grant/gets what it's given and like it or lump it.

( it's an Alistair Darling parody account. Made famous during the ref for constantly describing the SNP as vile, and ending every sentence in 'frankly'. He draws unsuspecting pro-indy supporters into commenting furiously... before someone laughingly points out it's a parody account. Vile. Frankly ).

It's news to me that the Scottish are paragons of thrift. I'm afraid in terms of spending more than we earn there's absolutely no difference between us. We're mad for it.

I'm still lost on the Twitter stuff. I don't think I'll ever get it.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

What a brilliant result.

All but 7 Tories.

66 Labour MP's defied Corbyn and his team of pressure groups and CyberTrolls egregious bullying, to do the right thing.

And whilst Cameron was statesmanlike throughout, the speech of the day award goes to Hilary Benn, who said...

We know that in June, four gay men were thrown off the fifth story of a building [in a Syrian city].

We know that in August the 82-year-old guardian of the antiquities of Palmyra, Professor Khaled al-Asaad, was beheaded and his beheaded body was hung from a traffic light.

And we know that in recent weeks there has been the discovery of mass graves in Sinjar, one containing the bodies of older Yazidi women murdered by Daesh because they were judged too old to be sold for sex.

We know they have killed 30 British tourists in Tunisia. 224 Russian holidaymakers on a plane. 178 people in suicide bombings in Beirut, Ankara and Surat. 130 people in Paris, including those young people in the Bataclan, whom Daesh in trying to justify their slaughter called them apostates engaged in prostitution and vice. If it had happened here, they could have been our children and we know that they are plotting more attacks.

So the question is this, given that we know what they are doing, can we really stand aside and refuse to act fully in our self defence against those who are planning those attacks.

Can we really leave to others the responsibility for defending our national security when it is our responsibility and if they do we do not act what kind of message would that send about our solidarity with those countries that have suffered so much including Iraq and our ally France.

Now France wants us to stand with them and President Hollande the leader of our sister socialist party has asked for our assistance and help...

As a party, we have always been defined by our internationalism. We believe we have a responsibility, one to another. We never have and we never should walk by on the other side of the road.

And we are here faced by fascists. Not just their calculated brutality, but their belief that they are superior to every single one of us in this chamber tonight and all of the people we represent.

They hold us in contempt. They hold our values in contempt. They hold our belief in tolerance and decency in contempt. They hold our democracy – the means by which we will make our decision tonight – in contempt.

And what we know about fascists is that they need to be defeated and it is why, as we have heard tonight, socialists and trade unionists were just one part of the international brigade in the 1930s to fight against Franco. It’s why this entire House stood up against Hitler and Mussolini.

It’s why our party has always stood up against the denial of human rights and for justice and my view, Mr Speaker, is that we must now confront this evil.

It is now time for us to do our bit in Syria and that is why I ask my colleagues to vote in favour of this motion tonight.

Which earned the rarest of accolades from the house, a round of applause, against parliamentary tradition.

And puts the disgraceful behaviour of the SNP thoroughly to shame.

The SNP contingent voted against action to target the murderous death cult who throw people off buildings for being gay, who behead historians and aid workers, who rape and slaughter women of different faiths, and who have murdered hundreds of Europeans in terrorist attacks this year.

They would rather appease ISIS than act, would rather allow them safe haven in Syria than degrade their capabilities, and would turn a blind eye to the UN resolution calling for action, and the appeals of our allies.

And on that topic, how on earth do any of the SNP mob here justify their party's support for abandoning the people of Syria to this bunch?

For allowing them to continue raping, pillaging, murdering, and terrorising with no fear of reprisals?

Shakethedisease

wotsthat wrote: »

I'm amazed a vote about war in Syria is extrapolated by nationalists to demonstrate the 'massive' differences between the peoples of Scotland and the UK.

I hate nationalism.

There ARE massive differences. 57 Scottish MP's voted against.. out of 59 ?

Shakethedisease

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

And on that topic, how on earth do any of the SNP mob here justify their party's support for abandoning the people of Syria to this bunch?

For allowing them to continue raping, pillaging, murdering, and terrorising with no fear of reprisals?

This is an economics and debate forum Hamish. Take this sort of frothing at the mouth stuff to DT. It's more suited there imo. I'm not getting into hyperbolic war debates.

SNP and the one Scottish Labour MP voted against. But so did most of the English/Welsh Labour party. What else is there to say ? There's no way you're pinning this on Sturgeon and the SNP. Sorry.

elantan

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

If anyone from the SNP ever demonstrates such a cross party, non-partisan, display of statesmanship they'll have earned it too.

However given today's shallow, self-serving, act of betrayal of the Scottish people by the SNP I doubt it'll be any time soon.

His father will be turning in his grave ... totally ashamed to call him son

wotsthat

Shakethedisease wrote: »

There ARE massive differences. 57 Scottish MP's voted against.. out of 59 ?

F the MP's.

57/59 of Scottish people are against action in Syria? Shame on the SNP for trying to make political capital out of such an issue.

The SNP MP's did as they were told by Sturgeon because it was deemed a step towards Scottish independence.

I hate nationalism.

Shakethedisease

Generali wrote: »

I can't find the link but I know that the BES doesn't report its preliminary findings until Jan and I was under the impression that everyone except Com Res (not Survation) and BMG were waiting until then to update their methods using sociological adjustment to likelihood to vote weights.

I follow Anthony Wells' blog and am pretty sure I'm right.

Well then you'll know that he's the one putting forward separate Scotland/England+ Wales polls ? Because......