Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

elantan

Aye ... I'll be 7 of 9 :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

michaels

This morning Sturgeon has called for more equality of outcome for Scotland and yet neither she or any of the experts advocating this seem to think that reducing their own incomes to the median is the way to acheive this equality....

Shakethedisease

michaels wrote: »

This morning Sturgeon has called for more equality of outcome for Scotland and yet neither she or any of the experts advocating this seem to think that reducing their own incomes to the median is the way to acheive this equality....

Am not sure 'equality of outcome' is something solely based on income. I live not far from where Nicola was born and brought up, and my boys go to her previous secondary school. I can assure you she didn't have much in the way of advantages over others in terms of education etc

Anyway, what you're advocating re reducing all higher incomes to the median is pure unadulterated communism straight from Karl Marx. I noticed General thanked this too... who'd of thought !!! :eek:

.string.

Leanne1812 wrote: »

The SNP have never made any secret of the fact that independence for Scotland is a goal so you can call it their myopic agenda all day long but that is what they stand for like it or lump it. Meanwhile, they are the Scottish Gov, elected by its citizens and are doing quite a good job thus far. The idea that people were confident enough in their ability to vote for them says something does it not? I for one have more trust in the Scottish gov than I do in Westminster. The expenses scandal, cash for honours, cash for questions, alleged pedophilia at the heart of the establishment. You tell me, what's to like eh?

I wanted a small government who would be accountable to its citizens. I'm sorry but I think Westminster is corrupt to the core. I wanted to break free. I don't think that's a bad thing. I'm in agreement for greater control for local gov, I live in hope we might start to see this after the election.

Yes I was referring to the House of Lords and while I feel a second chamber is a good idea this institution is just archaic and needs abolished or huge reform. I'm posting a link that I watched just yesterday regarding HOL if you would be interested to watch. I agree with Pete Wishart ( SNP MP) totally here.

http://youtu.be/GuTHqb-lHEc

I looked at that link (yes all of it) and have to say that I have similar criticism of the House of Lords although hearing Wishart it's clear that the SNP as usual is blind to both sides of any argument. As I wrote before I too think reform is necessary but am radical in a different way to his approach. It's a substantial subject and not one for here I think so I'll just say briefly, to give a flavour of my views, that I think ALL members of the House of Lords should be required to sign an oath that they will discharge their duties according to their own conscience and not follow instructions from any body outside the House. So that would include any Party, any Religion or any other pressure group. Further I would aim for a meritocracy, not career politicians members garnered from politics, but those with expert experience from the whole range of areas of endeavour whether they be engineering, medical, welfare, finance, fishing etc etc and yes, even politics and religion although how the latter would vow not to be influenced by their Church is an interesting matter. They can be recommended by anyone and yes voted on if people think it important. Primacy of the House of Commons should be paramount but the House of Lords should be able to demand rethinks as is the case now. I would hope thereby to avoid time begin wasted because of a mismatch in political dogma between Lords and the Commons. I don't care whether they wear wigs or are called Lords or whatever.

I must say that Wishart had a lot to say on something about which he declared himself uninvolved.

He had other things to say here. He took up most of that interview complaining that English Votes etc took up too much time and it was interesting to here him give the same arguments so faithfully parroted by SNP apparatchiks here.

As for the rest of your post re myopic etc, you are, of course, entitled to your own (wrong) opinion but I note that the reply had again nothing to do with the point I raised which was that
"the SNP ..is stirring up discord between Scotland and the rest of the UK".

robmatic

michaels wrote: »

This morning Sturgeon has called for more equality of outcome for Scotland and yet neither she or any of the experts advocating this seem to think that reducing their own incomes to the median is the way to acheive this equality....

The SNP also have more privately-educated MSPs than Labour do...

.string.

Shakethedisease wrote: »

I think string may be confused between the SNP and how basic democracy works.

I certainly am confused about how any member of the SNP lay claim to democracy when the SNP ignore the results of the Referendum in which they denied a vote to expat Scots and yet gave it to people who were not even British.

And then there is all that demeaning petty arguing about English Votes for English issues when they deny any input to what they dictate in Scotland.

You are not in a position to lecture anyone on Democracy Shakey.

.string.

Shakethedisease wrote:

.... what you're advocating re reducing all higher incomes to the median is pure unadulterated communism straight from Karl Marx. I noticed General thanked this too... who'd of thought !!! :eek:

michaels was doing no such thing.

elantan

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Am not sure 'equality of outcome' is something solely based on income. I live not far from where Nicola was born and brought up, and my boys go to her previous secondary school. I can assure you she didn't have much in the way of advantages over others in terms of education etc

Anyway, what you're advocating re reducing all higher incomes to the median is pure unadulterated communism straight from Karl Marx. I noticed General thanked this too... who'd of thought !!! :eek:

Hey I went to the disco that she went to . Lived near the town she lived in as well

It's a small world after all

elantan

.string. wrote: »

I certainly am confused about how any member of the SNP lay claim to democracy when the SNP ignore the results of the Referendum in which they denied a vote to expat Scots and yet gave it to people who were not even British.

And then there is all that demeaning petty arguing about English Votes for English issues when they deny any input to what they dictate in Scotland.

You are not in a position to lecture anyone on Democracy Shakey.

Not sure if your aware or not but the referendum was about geography not nationality ? I think a lot of people were confused about that tbh

The SNP have a history of not voting on English matters if they don't concern Scotland ( unlike labour who do ... EVEL was more aimed at labour than SNP)

Unfortunately though as the majority chose to stay as part of the UK there are many issues that might appear to be English actually do impact on the people of Scotland

CLAPTON

elantan wrote: »

Not sure if your aware or not but the referendum was about geography not nationality ? I think a lot of people were confused about that tbh

The SNP have a history of not voting on English matters if they don't concern Scotland ( unlike labour who do ... EVEL was more aimed at labour than SNP)

Unfortunately though as the majority chose to stay as part of the UK there are many issues that might appear to be English actually do impact on the people of Scotland

Are there any English issues that have absolutely no impact on Scotland?