Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

CLAPTON

English vote for English issues is natural justice irrespective who it may help.

Scottish MPs should not be allowed to vote on issues that are 'mainly' English as all sensible people know that there are few truly 'English ' only issues.

It is the price of having an Scottish government which has a large measure of autonomy.

Obviously the corrupt Barnett formula needs reforming so that the money is spread in a fair way based on population, modified with need.

skintmacflint

CLAPTON wrote: »

Are there any English issues that have absolutely no impact on Scotland?

When Nanny Sturgeon was asked to give an example by Dimby on QT, after a delay and initial stutter she replied fox hunting, then quickly moved on.

Maybe to be fair she had a blank moment .or it could be that she'd realised she wasn't going down very well. She seemed to have forgotten she wasn't appearing in front of her normal adoring fans. So her normal stock anti everything but SNP wasn't having the desired affect. At one point Dimby had to remind her that an English audience couldn't vote SNP.

As for finding common cause with other parties with eg the Welsh and N. Irish, they should think twice. She's the one who grudges sharing 'her money' to help support them. Not forgetting SNPs history on how they treat parties they chose to make alliances with.

Mind you Salmonds been keeping a fairly low profile, other than in his targeted seat area . Maybe he's spending his spare moments scheming how to take some of the North of England with him.
Because IMO , in his deep rooted scorn and malice for Westminster, he seems willing to sacrifice anything to achieve his aims, regardless of whether it wrecks the economy, harmony, safety and future of not just Scotland but the entire UK .

But maybe I'm biased lol.

elantan

Take it you didn't see the Salmond video last week then ? It was rather funny

Wee eck, fluffy and the two pandrop book


He's about and doing what he does best , he will however be very much aware of ye older Sturgeon isn't the boss its Salmond rubbish that's floating about so is respectfully keeping his distance there

elantan

CLAPTON wrote: »

English vote for English issues is natural justice irrespective who it may help.

Scottish MPs should not be allowed to vote on issues that are 'mainly' English as all sensible people know that there are few truly 'English ' only issues.

It is the price of having an Scottish government which has a large measure of autonomy.

Obviously the corrupt Barnett formula needs reforming so that the money is spread in a fair way based on population, modified with need.

You have to remember though, these things that do affect Scotland that you don't think Scottish MP's should have a say on can have very disastrous consequences to the people of Scotland ... So you are advocating that the people if Scotland get shafted and can't do anything about it ....

Imagine if WM was in Glasgow and there were many more Scottish MP's than English Welsh or Irish ... There would understandably be issues

Tbh when we get independence I reckon is finally when we will get all the crap sorted ( probably take a few years mind you)

CLAPTON

elantan wrote: »

You have to remember though, these things that do affect Scotland that you don't think Scottish MP's should have a say on can have very disastrous consequences to the people of Scotland ... So you are advocating that the people if Scotland get shafted and can't do anything about it ....

Imagine if WM was in Glasgow and there were many more Scottish MP's than English Welsh or Irish ... There would understandably be issues

Tbh when we get independence I reckon is finally when we will get all the crap sorted ( probably take a few years mind you)

Given the situation is as it is, then Only English votes on mainly English matters is fair
as is reforming the corrupt Barnett formula


however, given that people are driven by self interest and are happy to accept corruption if to their advantage then only real resolutions are re-integration of the UK or Scotland's departure or some semblance of fairness imposed from UK parliament.

elantan

English only votes on mainly English issues is not fair if it adversely damages the other people that are affected by the issues .... To think it is ... Is as you say a decision driven by self Interest by people that are happy to accept corruption if it is to their advantage ...

Generali

CLAPTON wrote: »

Given the situation is as it is, then Only English votes on mainly English matters is fair
as is reforming the corrupt Barnett formula


however, given that people are driven by self interest and are happy to accept corruption if to their advantage then only real resolutions are re-integration of the UK or Scotland's departure or some semblance of fairness imposed from UK parliament.

Well as the SNP look set to capture perhaps 2-3% of the national vote, one would hope that their voice carries a commensurate amount of weight in any coalition Government.

ruggedtoast

Scottish Independentalists will never be able to live happily with anyone who they don't see as one of them.

It would be helpful if there was some meaningful investigation within the movement as to why they lost. If they actually thought about it they might well surprise themselves and could actually make the first actual step towards independence.

As it is what the rest of the world sees, and what they think the rest of the world sees, will remain ever at odds. And regardless of what they think there won't ever be Independence for Scotland. Because their vision of Independence, is stinky.

elantan

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Scottish Independentalists will never be able to live happily with anyone who they don't see as one of them.

It would be helpful if there was some meaningful investigation within the movement as to why they lost. If they actually thought about it they might well surprise themselves and could actually make the first actual step towards independence.

As it is what the rest of the world sees, and what they think the rest of the world sees, will remain ever at odds. And regardless of what they think there won't ever be Independence for Scotland. Because their vision of Independence, is stinky.

In your opinion

But yes like ALL people perceived perception is often very different from perception

CLAPTON

elantan wrote: »

English only votes on mainly English issues is not fair if it adversely damages the other people that are affected by the issues .... To think it is ... Is as you say a decision driven by self Interest by people that are happy to accept corruption if it is to their advantage ...

A totally federal arrangement of broadly equal regions say a million or so each may result in a much 'fairer' system, but a system whereby Scotland / NI / Wales have a vote of their own regional policies and also a vote on the equivalent English policies is unfair to the English.
The fact that there is some element of togetherness is inevitable in many decisions
so the rubbish Welsh NHS leads the Welsh to use the English NHS,
the rubbish economic policies in Scotland lead the more able Scots to come down south, the Scots discrimination against English uni student affects the English etc.

So if the geographical regions of the UK want devolved government then devolve English government is part of the package.