Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

Shakethedisease

Generali wrote: »

Crime, especially violent crime, rates are falling across most of Europe. The reason? The aging population.

Crime is generally committed by men between the ages of about 14 and 25/30. As those are making up a smaller and smaller part of the rapidly aging Scottish population we would expect to see crime falling. The number of people in Scotland aged over 64 increased by 17% over the last decade.

http://www.gro-scotland.gov.uk/files//statistics/rgar2014/rgar-14-corrected.pdf

As an aside, according to Steven Levitt and Steven Dubner one of the greatest things ever to reduce violent crime was the invention of the video game. Young men that would otherwise be out mugging old ladies or [insert violent crime of choice] are sat at home smoking a bifter and blowing away the enemy on COD or Halo.

The fact is that crime rates are in Scotland at some of the lowest levels for decades. But in campaigning terms for Labour and the Conservatives... Police Scotland is somehow in "complete crisis"...along with the Scottish NHS... once again. You only have to read skinmacflint's posts to see the kind of newspaper/media coverage Police Scotland is getting. Total nonsense. And from two parties that were in FULL support of merging all Scottish Police forces in 2011 to cut costs and bureaucracy and had it in their manifesto's also.

No-one is saying that Police Scotland is perfect and doesn't need improvement. Of course it does, it's been a slog and big mistakes have been made. But I came across an old article from 2011 a few months before the last election up here. And you could have lifted everything Scottish Labour was saying then, and put it out now.. and no-one would notice. Even to the point it was Jackie Baillie making the most noise.

Lower crime rates are hardly a stick to beat the SNP with. But then, no-one ever bothers to report those. As Skint evidences well in his posts when he cites the Daily Record and what it does report.

Shakethedisease

Generali wrote: »

Didn't Mr Farage get chased into a pub by a mob? Does that not count?

Interesting point nonetheless.

That's a terrible example. It was a student demo protesting Farage's anti-immigration/racist stance ( among other things ). Hardly a shining example of 'nationalism' from protesters. Farage milked it for all it was worth too calling on Salmond to reign them in. But it was nothing to do with the SNP. Farage knew it too.

Looking back to the Jim Murphy egging thing now makes me laugh. Was there ever so much fuss, time and media attention given to a politician getting egged.. it went on for weeks ! Someone saying that Jim was on every news outlet like he had a sucking chest wound and acting like he'd been in Platoon or something lol.:p Even Prescott didn't make such a meal of it ( left hook - done ). But it served it's purpose painting Yes voters as 'thugs' I suppose.

Ticking up isn't it.. over the months ? I think most polls now are around 50/50.

14/11/15

Should Scotland be an independent country?
Yes 49% (+2)
No 51% (-2)

Happygreen

Generali wrote: »

Perhaps I'm being a bit thick but I don't see the bit in that piece where it shows that unionists have been more violent towards nationalists than vice versa.

It shows one disgraceful act, it isn't a source of data of how unionists and nationalists behave towards each other in the round.

You are very cleverly arguing. But these people represent you - as much as some SNP members who say stupid things represent people who want independence. A rioting mob does not make one disgraceful act, my dear, it's the culture of the Unionists. A campaigner was attacked in the shop before the referendum and so frightened she had to lock herself in. Show me anything like this independence supporters have done and we can talk further.

How about you provide "proper data" if you are so keen and prove me wrong? Maybe you have access to police files? Love to hear it.

skintmacflint

Shakethedisease wrote: »

I'm selectively twisting nothing.

Feel free to counter these assertions of mine with some facts.I'd welcome it. But I'm afraid lauding Dugdale's 'towering performances' ( in your own opinion ).. and the fact you thought Sturgeon was 'demolished' cowering in fear of Kezia and losing control in her 'shrieking Dreghorn voice' ( in your own opinion)...

I'll get back to the rest of this post hopefully tomorrow. But let.s just compare what I said with what you have suggested above.

Post 7025 - I commented
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Today at FMQs Sturgeon totally lost her composure under questions from Kezia D and Ruth D on Police Scotland'

Post 6820 doesn't even mention Kezia Dugdale

' Sturegon losing her cool so much she resorted to her Dreghorn shriek voice level at FMQs'

Nowhere did I mention Dugdales towering performance, nor that I thought it left Sturgeon demolished, cowering in fear of Kezia. Those are your words, not mine. And your reason, is simply to project SNP party central rhetoric on here for passing viewers of the thread. ( do you think I didn't notice your careful double inference of in my opinion in your creative posting ) Were you worried your message wasn't strong enough?

A simple majority isn't enough for SNP fans at H/R next year (which I've said for over a year now looked inevitable ) is it?

You need much , much more than that. How's that expert Fracking committee report getting on these days?

Generali

Happygreen wrote: »

You are very cleverly arguing. But these people represent you - as much as some SNP members who say stupid things represent people who want independence. A rioting mob does not make one disgraceful act, my dear, it's the culture of the Unionists. A campaigner was attacked in the shop before the referendum and so frightened she had to lock herself in. Show me anything like this independence supporters have done and we can talk further.

How about you provide "proper data" if you are so keen and prove me wrong? Maybe you have access to police files? Love to hear it.

So you think I should blythly accept your prejudices as fact. LOL.

I'm a Unionist and have never hit anyone in my life.

Mr Farage might not feel so sanguine about the intentions of Scottish Nationalists.

elantan

Was it nationalists that blocked Farage in Gen ?

Or was it students ... but blaming nationalists suits your rhetoric better ?

Generali

elantan wrote: »

Was it nationalists that blocked Farage in Gen ?

Or was it students ... but blaming nationalists suits your rhetoric better ?

It was reported at the time that they were "Nationalists and Students".

elantan

Well of course it was ... I'm sure someone somewhere will be saying v the nationalists are to blame for all the world's ills

Generali

elantan wrote: »

Well of course it was ... I'm sure someone somewhere will be saying v the nationalists are to blame for all the world's ills

Obviously.

When lots of people think you're wrong but you are sure you're right then it's obviously loads of other people that are wrong.

elantan

Yes ... let's blame the nationalists for everything ... might as well