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Generali

Happygreen wrote: »

Violence in Glasgow[edit]

Violence was committed in Glasgow's George Square by unionists celebrating the referendum's result.
On the night of 19 September, hundreds of unionists arrived to celebrate the 'No' vote and reportedly attacked independence supporters who had been gathered in George Square.[433] Many of the unionists waved Union Jacks or loyalist flags and chanted "Rule, Britannia!".[433] Some appeared to make Nazi salutes and shouted racist abuse.[433] About 150 police officers were drafted in to separate the groups but some unionists broke through police lines.[433] A number of people were reportedly beaten and bottles were thrown.[434] A press photographer told The Scotsman he saw people being "kicked about" and was forced to flee after being threatened.[434] The electricity generator of the Sunday Herald, the only newspaper to support independence, was set on fire by two men.[435] Police made eleven arrests and set up an 'incident room'.[434] The violence was condemned by politicians from both the 'Yes' and 'No' camps.[434]

quoted from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_independence_referendum,_2014

If you want more , let me know.

Perhaps I'm being a bit thick but I don't see the bit in that piece where it shows that unionists have been more violent towards nationalists than vice versa.

It shows one disgraceful act, it isn't a source of data of how unionists and nationalists behave towards each other in the round.

Shakethedisease

skintmacflint wrote: »

Precisely my point on balance. As usual you linked to an article which suited your purpose here, having first read it to make sure it suited your purpose, without looking elsewhere to see if there was something more balanced.

I am sorry, and I know you have linking difficulties as you state. However, in your above few sentences, you seem to be implying that for every article I come across saying one thing, for example, in the Herald or the Daily Record... that I must find another article implying the opposite viewpoint, from somewhere like Wings or Bella Caledonia ? So that I personally can appear 'balanced' ?

You've missed the point of these boards dear fellow. There are enough unionist and anti-SNP posts here, that I could simply spend my time posting up Radical independence or SSP articles for the next year... without worrying I was skewing the balance here. Debate implies someone from one side putting their point across, and someone from the opposing making theirs. Not one person doing both ! I post commentary to back up my own points. It's up to others making their own points to do so.

Which there was in both the article I asked you to link to in the Herald and most importantly in the Daily Record article. Which promoted positive co-operation between parties and with Westminster.

Both the Daily Record and the Herald are unionist, Labour leaning newspapers. And these days, in fact since time immemorial I should think.. the old adage, don't believe everything you read in the newspapers should apply. They have been known to slant things a bit from time to time. You're surely not so naive as to think the Daily Record has no 'agenda' to put forward.

Due to linking difficulties I typed the 4 key areas which Smith highlighted needed to be worked on mentioned in the DR , for the new powers to be effective for Scotland, not tribal politics. First and foremost improved relations between the SG and UK government. This implied everyone needs to make an effort and improvement.

And that would never suit your agenda on here , for the benefit of passing readers.

Smith was succeeded by the General Election result. And only 9% of people in Scotland believe the 'Vow' has been met on last polling. Good luck selling THAT. Or Mr Mundell doing so.

Shakethedisease

skintmacflint wrote: »

No , stop being silly . You made that up. I highlighted Sturgeon had to resort to polling figures to get herself out of difficulties of her own making during FMQ's. On a process totally under her party's control and oversight. I think you're confusing SNP party line with facts.

You can stop your nasty habit of selectively twisting what someone said into something different. So you can conveniently knock down your own projection while posting more SNP party spin, which inevitably involves a further dig at Labour. It fools no one on here, and hopefully not even the passing viewer your slanted posts are aimed at.

Labour hasn't been in power in Scotland for 8 years, but has voters you still desperately need to convince to switch over to enable a huge Pro Yes majority of MSPS next year. How is your SNP/Yes alliance campaign going for the List votes. Hear rumblings of a wee bit of discontent in the ranks.

I'm selectively twisting nothing. I've provided you with facts and data on crime numbers and nursing numbers per 1000 population in Scotland, and compared to other NHS entities throughout the UK. That you don't like seeing them in black and white. Because it perhaps doesn't suit your own agenda of cheerleading the latest Scottish Labour and Conservative campaigns at Holyrood and at FMQ's, is immaterial.

Feel free to counter these assertions of mine with some facts and figures of your own. I'd welcome it. But I'm afraid lauding Dugdale's 'towering performances' ( in your own opinion ).. and the fact you thought Sturgeon was 'demolished' cowering in fear of Kezia and losing control in her 'shrieking Dreghorn voice' ( in your own opinion)... isn't quite evidence enough for most folks. Generali says so a few posts back that anecdotes aren't enough. You need a convincing authoritative link or study to back whatever you say on here....

......( Unless you don't like the SNP, then you can post up any old crap and have everyone doe-eyed in wonder and unquestioning belief ).

Shakethedisease

Generali wrote: »

Perhaps I'm being a bit thick but I don't see the bit in that piece where it shows that unionists have been more violent towards nationalists than vice versa.

It shows one disgraceful act, it isn't a source of data of how unionists and nationalists behave towards each other in the round.

All persons charged and sentenced for a crime, bar one ( the Murphy egging ), during the referendum campaign from 2011 onwards.. were pro-unionists. Mainly for abusing the First Minister at the time ( Salmond ) either online ( death threats ) or in person...or for other incidents of violence and intimidation. Generally, from a group of people who like the Union Jack a lot !

Every single Yes rally was violence free, with no arrests made. Not a single pane of glass was broken from 2011 through to Sept 2014. Even the demonstration outside the BBC re Nick Robinson near the end was peaceful.

The George Square incident. Again. No Yes voters or activists were arrested following the No result. Even though it WAS a No result. And there were 1000's there that day saddened by the result. No voters, as you've seen were arrested for violence, intimidation, nazi salutes and carrying offensive weapons. Oh at it was live streamed as well. So we all saw what happened as it happened too.

It suited the narrative ( and yours for that matter ) to keep on with the nasty nationalist thug lines and hysterically slanted newspaper stories. Ruth Davidson and her fictional 'burly men'.. When the real nasty nationalist thugs, were and are, without exception during the referendum campaign and beyond, always to be found waving Union Jacks in Scotland. Not Saltires.

Generali

Shakethedisease wrote: »

I'm selectively twisting nothing. I've provided you with facts and data on crime numbers and nursing numbers per 1000 population in Scotland, and compared to other NHS entities throughout the UK. That you don't like seeing them in black and white. Because it perhaps doesn't suit your own agenda of cheerleading the latest Scottish Labour and Conservative campaigns at Holyrood and at FMQ's, is immaterial.

Feel free to counter these assertions of mine with some facts and figures of your own. I'd welcome it. But I'm afraid lauding Dugdale's 'towering performances' ( in your own opinion ).. and the fact you thought Sturgeon was 'demolished' cowering in fear of Kezia and losing control in her 'shrieking Dreghorn voice' ( in your own opinion)... isn't quite evidence enough for most folks. Generali says so a few posts back that anecdotes aren't enough. You need a convincing authoritative link or study to back whatever you say on here....

......( Unless you don't like the SNP, then you can post up any old crap and have everyone doe-eyed in wonder and unquestioning belief ).

Crime, especially violent crime, rates are falling across most of Europe. The reason? The aging population.

Crime is generally committed by men between the ages of about 14 and 25/30. As those are making up a smaller and smaller part of the rapidly aging Scottish population we would expect to see crime falling. The number of people in Scotland aged over 64 increased by 17% over the last decade.

http://www.gro-scotland.gov.uk/files//statistics/rgar2014/rgar-14-corrected.pdf

As an aside, according to Steven Levitt and Steven Dubner one of the greatest things ever to reduce violent crime was the invention of the video game. Young men that would otherwise be out mugging old ladies or [insert violent crime of choice] are sat at home smoking a bifter and blowing away the enemy on COD or Halo.

elantan

Shakethedisease wrote: »

All persons charged and sentenced for a crime, bar one ( the Murphy egging ), during the referendum campaign from 2011 onwards.. were pro-unionists. Mainly for abusing the First Minister at the time ( Salmond ) either online ( death threats ) or in person...or for other incidents of violence and intimidation. Generally, from a group of people who like the Union Jack a lot !

Every single Yes rally was violence free, with no arrests made. Not a single pane of glass was broken from 2011 through to Sept 2014. Even the demonstration outside the BBC re Nick Robinson near the end was peaceful.

The George Square incident. Again. No Yes voters or activists were arrested following the No result. Even though it WAS a No result. And there were 1000's there that day saddened by the result. No voters, as you've seen were arrested for violence, intimidation, nazi salutes and carrying offensive weapons. Oh at it was live streamed as well. So we all saw what happened as it happened too.

It suited the narrative ( and yours for that matter ) to keep on with the nasty nationalist thug lines and hysterically slanted newspaper stories. Ruth Davidson and her fictional 'burly men'.. When the real nasty nationalist thugs, were and are, without exception during the referendum campaign and beyond, always to be found waving Union Jacks in Scotland. Not Saltires.

Better watch our Shakey or you'll be accused of whingeing again

Tromking

Happygreen wrote: »

You are obviously under the impression that your reply is so valuable that you had to post it twice? Once with an edit to the emoticon would have done sufficiently to bless us with your qualified expression of opinion.

It's never a waste of effort to post an inalienable truth more than once, especially in elantan's case!

elantan

Happygreen wrote: »

You are obviously under the impression that your reply is so valuable that you had to post it twice? Once with an edit to the emoticon would have done sufficiently to bless us with your qualified expression of opinion.

Oh my is he still talking about me ? Obsessed or what

* stalker alert ... stalker alert *

Generali

Shakethedisease wrote: »

All persons charged and sentenced for a crime, bar one ( the Murphy egging ), during the referendum campaign from 2011 onwards.. were pro-unionists. Mainly for abusing the First Minister at the time ( Salmond ) either online ( death threats ) or in person...or for other incidents of violence and intimidation. Generally, from a group of people who like the Union Jack a lot !

Every single Yes rally was violence free, with no arrests made. Not a single pane of glass was broken from 2011 through to Sept 2014. Even the demonstration outside the BBC re Nick Robinson near the end was peaceful.

The George Square incident. Again. No Yes voters or activists were arrested following the No result. Even though it WAS a No result. And there were 1000's there that day saddened by the result. No voters, as you've seen were arrested for violence, intimidation, nazi salutes and carrying offensive weapons. Oh at it was live streamed as well. So we all saw what happened as it happened too.

It suited the narrative ( and yours for that matter ) to keep on with the nasty nationalist thug lines and hysterically slanted newspaper stories. Ruth Davidson and her fictional 'burly men'.. When the real nasty nationalist thugs, were and are, without exception during the referendum campaign and beyond, always to be found waving Union Jacks in Scotland. Not Saltires.

Didn't Mr Farage get chased into a pub by a mob? Does that not count?

Interesting point nonetheless.

elantan

Well we're no really into racist people here so do tend to chase them

Didn't he get mobbed in a pub down south as well when he was out with his family?

I imagine that's cause a lot of people don't like racists ... not just the people living in Scotland