Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

Thrugelmir

Shakethedisease wrote: »

If he does a big u-turn, delays or waters things down to the point 'it doesn't seem so bad'... then in the context of Scottish politics. Labour have nothing else much else to work with in the run up to next May. They've made reversing HUGE tax credit cuts, or goading the SNP into it their central policy... If they're not so huge after all, or if Westminster itself under pressure implements some sort of mitigating or transitional phase... and the SNP go 'oh, ok then'.. they're stuffed.

Labour cannot commit to reversing Tax Credits. By Labour I am referring to the mainstream not Corbynites. Soundbites in opposition cost nothing. Empty promises.

While the focus is on the headlines. There's a genuine squeeze throughout all departments in Whitehall. BIS for example is targeting to reduce £350m of operating costs ( in essence administration) from the 85 organisations under it's umbrella over the next 5 years. That's a significant challenge. For an individual that simply may mean accepting working reduced hours rather than lose their job entirely. I don't think that the people impacted will be voting to maintain unsustainable levels of tax credits. The burden has to be shared equally. As a result we all suffer a degree of austerity.

Shakethedisease

Generali wrote: »

Scottish taxpayers paying twice! !!!!!! they don't even pay once.

Now you're just getting boring...and slightly insulting.

Shakethedisease

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Labour cannot commit to reversing Tax Credits. By Labour I am referring to the mainstream not Corbynites. Soundbites in opposition cost nothing. Empty promises.

While the focus is on the headlines. There's a genuine squeeze throughout all departments in Whitehall. BIS for example is targeting to reduce £350m of operating costs ( in essence administration) from the 85 organisations under it's umbrella over the next 5 years. That's a significant challenge. For an individual that simply may mean accepting working reduced hours rather than lose their job entirely. I don't think that the people impacted will be voting to maintain unsustainable levels of tax credits. The burden has to be shared equally. As a result we all suffer a degree of austerity.

There's a fair proportion of Scots who feel the same about tax credits, or at least, that they are a 'subsidy' to employers etc etc. However in terms of politics. If Osborne does bow to pressure.. then Scottish Labour are a bit stuffed with their current 'flagship'.

Generali

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Now you're just getting boring...and slightly insulting.

Boring I'll give you but insulting? Scots pay for ~84% of spending in Scotland. You might be bored of being reminded of that but I bet it's a darn sight more tedious paying the bill while being regularly informed that it's not nearly enough.

wotsthat

Generali wrote: »

Boring I'll give you but insulting? Scots pay for ~84% of spending in Scotland. You might be bored of being reminded of that but I bet it's a darn sight more tedious paying the bill while being regularly informed that it's not nearly enough.

Hasn't that claim been soundly debunked on Twitter or Facebook though? It's only the bias of the press suppressing this from becoming common knowledge.

Social media is the beacon of truth in a fog of lies.

Thrugelmir

Shakethedisease wrote: »

There's a fair proportion of Scots who feel the same about tax credits, or at least, that they are a 'subsidy' to employers etc etc.

Again a misconception. The vast majority of UK companies are SME's employing under 50 people. Who already have the cost of pension provision to absorb along with the all the EU rules for paternity etc. Imposing unaffordable wage levels isn't a solution. As again somebody has to pay. The crux of the problem is that the tax credits were Brown's backdoor policy for wealth distribution.

Shakethedisease

Generali wrote: »

Boring I'll give you but insulting? Scots pay for ~84% of spending in Scotland. You might be bored of being reminded of that but I bet it's a darn sight more tedious paying the bill while being regularly informed that it's not nearly enough.

You said Scots taxpayers don't even pay once. Implying there weren't any at all. If you want to make a point, then do so like above... but don't insult Scots taxpayers like myself and my husband by implying neither of us pay what we are billed each year. It's boring.. and is slightly insulting. Especially coming from someone who more than likely doesn't pay any UK taxes at all.

Generali

Shakethedisease wrote: »

You said Scots taxpayers don't even pay once. Implying there weren't any at all. If you want to make a point, then do so like above... but don't insult Scots taxpayers like myself and my husband by implying neither of us pay what we are billed each year. It's boring.. and is slightly insulting. Especially coming from someone who more than likely doesn't pay any UK taxes at all.

No, I meant that Scots don't pay twice, they pay less than once, in fact 0.84 times or thereabouts.

You can feel insulted if you like, I have no concern for your feelings beyond common decency.

You know nothing of my tax affairs and as it goes I do pay some UK taxes on investment income.

Shakethedisease

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Again a misconception. The vast majority of UK companies are SME's employing under 50 people. Who already have the cost of pension provision to absorb along with the all the EU rules for paternity etc. Imposing unaffordable wage levels isn't a solution. As again somebody has to pay. The crux of the problem is that the tax credits were Brown's backdoor policy for wealth distribution.

That as may be. And I'm not pushing the case either way. However, lots do view tax credits as am employers subsidy. I was simply pointing out that while Scottish Labour are promising to reverse tax credit cuts penny for penny lost to all.... while there are those, like myself who are uncomfortable with the thought of mitigating cuts from Westminster ( and should that prove to become the 'norm' over the next few years, would obviously prefer independence )....There are those who see 'reversing tax credit cuts' as a subsidy to employers/too generous to those working part time/self-employed etc and have no idea why Scottish Labour would to want reverse any of these cuts. Especially with the 'living wage' coming in.

Generali

Shakethedisease wrote: »

That as may be. And I'm not pushing the case either way. However, lots do view tax credits as am employers subsidy. I was simply pointing out that while Scottish Labour are promising to reverse tax credit cuts penny for penny lost to all.... while there are those, like myself who are uncomfortable with the thought of mitigating cuts from Westminster ( and should that prove to become the 'norm' over the next few years, would obviously prefer independence )....There are those who see 'reversing tax credit cuts' as a subsidy to employers/too generous to those working part time/self-employed etc and have no idea why Scottish Labour would to want reverse any of these cuts. Especially with the 'living wage' coming in.

Plenty of Scots want the subsidy to get bigger.:money: