Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

Shakethedisease

elantan wrote: »

Yep I would agree ... does kinda look like she has been caught on the back foot so far ... but she has a tendency to work her way around it

Mundell only put the amendment in three days ago. The SNP were unaware it had gone through which is why everyone was working off the previous draft of the Scotland Bill. I think Labour were 'pre warned'. The Daily Record certainly knew about it before anything was officially announced. They were tweeting about it and there were people asking why they knew of amendments before the SNP/Scottish Govt did... But the 'powers' to do so are only 3 days old. Newspapers are spinning it as 'the SNP admit' they have the powers. *sigh*

Tag team politics from Tories and Labour. That's why Nicola was so fuming mad today lol. Still it was quite a refreshing change from PMQ's where Corbyn is so polite and exudes the air of a bored teacher going over basic equations for the 6th time.

Corbyn must've okayed Scottish Labour reversing tax credits... but only in Scotland.

Shakethedisease

CLAPTON wrote: »

The issue is that, if the Scottish Government believes that the people of Scotland need/deserve more benefits than those of England, then they should raise tax in Scotland.

Why is that unreasonable : it is exactly what an independent Scotland would have to do.

Then Scotland should be independent in order to do so in full. ALL taxes. And without having to take another governments decisions into account and worry about mitigating them as well.

CLAPTON

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Mundell only put the amendment in three days ago. The SNP were unaware it had gone through which is why everyone was working off the previous draft of the Scotland Bill. I think Labour were 'pre warned'. The Daily Record certainly knew about it before anything was officially announced. They were tweeting about it and there were people asking why they knew of amendments before the SNP/Scottish Govt did...

Tag team politics from Tories and Labour. That's why Nicola was so fuming mad today lol. Still it was quite a refreshing change from PMQ's where Corbyn is so polite and exudes the air of a bored teacher going over basic equations for the 6th time.

Corbyn must've okayed Scottish Labour reversing tax credits... but only in Scotland.

another conspiracy against the SNP

but if the SNP want more benefits for scots than the english then why is it unreasonable they the scots should pay the extra?

Shakethedisease

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Sounds as if your scared of the consequences. That it may dent the relentless march for Scottish independence. If the Scottish Government had to raise the revenue to fund it's promises. As the tide goes out will become easier to see whose swimming without any trunks on.

I am sorry, but did you miss the last three pages of posts ? Labour is proposing that they will reverse all tax credit cuts, in full, penny for penny in Scotland. Corbyn must've okayed it ( so much for solidarity ). The SNP want it devolved, and will wait, whatever the Herald claims, to see what Osborne does with them before coming out with any sort of plan. To me that's far more sensible than Labour's current 'OMG let's just raise tax or something, anything' approach.

It's Labour that's making all the promises here. So you can redirect your ire elsewhere. Income tax powers are a few years away yet. So, no, no-one is scared of anything. And let's face it, if I personally was scared of the consequences of higher taxes, after everything that was thrown during the referendum campaign ?... Then I wouldn't have 'dared' vote Yes would I ?

Shakethedisease

CLAPTON wrote: »

another conspiracy against the SNP

but if the SNP want more benefits for scots than the english then why is it unreasonable they the scots should pay the extra?

Ask Scottish Labour ?

CLAPTON

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Ask Scottish Labour ?

no, it seems reasonable to ask the ruling power in scotland what current scottish policy should be

Shakethedisease

CLAPTON wrote: »

no, it seems reasonable to ask the ruling power in scotland what current scottish policy should be

Ah, well, as I've said about 5 or 6 times already. Scottish policy will depend on what George Osborne does. As far as I'm aware, we're still part of the UK at the moment. So we have to wait until the current UK chancellor decides what he's going to do next.

That's reasonable. Because until the UK knows what George Osborne is going to do regarding tax credits. Then there's very, very little point worrying about what the Scottish Govt is going to do about it ? Wouldn't you agree ?

However, whatever George Osborne does. Scottish Labour do indeed think that Scots families shouldn't be affected whatsoever. Not a penny should be lost with these UK cuts by any Scot receiving them. It's almost independence talk !

Leanne1812

Oh dear,

It's all gone downhill again......

As Shakes said we can go round and round about tax credits but until we know what the chancellor will do next it's all pretty hypothetical isn't it.

I don't think it's fair to say that scots want ever more from the pot. I think we are just more vocal about what we perceive as wrong or unjust choices the government make both scots & UK. As far as tax credits go it's fair to say not just the scots think this is the case. Don't get me wrong, reform is needed and there are flaws with tax credits but it appears to be affecting those who can least afford it the most and this is why people are getting quite heated about this.

Again, we'll have to wait and see what George comes up with next.

I'm not getting involved in the whole ' you already get more' argument. I'd just ask you to remember you're arguing with the people who wanted autonomy for Scotland. Don't take it so personally. A yes vote wasn't a personal insult to anyone residing outside of Scotland but reading this might make anyone wonder.

I don't see myself as English, Welsh or Irish. I'm Scottish but it does not mean I am anti any other nationality.

Peace & goodwill to all

skintmacflint

Leanne1812 wrote: »

When you say grudge & grievance I think if you were to just look on it as 'the opposition' maybe you'd see it as just normal politics. Every party is out to discredit the others and win support.

Nope I don't think I would. Which is the same position I I took the last time you suggested this.

But each to their own opinion.

Shakethedisease

skintmacflint wrote: »

Nope I don't think I would. Which is the same position I I took the last time you suggested this.

But each to their own opinion.

'Grievance' is the new 'pooling and sharing'. It's the current 'buzzword' to describe the SNP. Expect to hear a lot more of it in the coming months.