Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

skintmacflint

Shakethedisease wrote: »

I guess that depends on the sums. It's a distinct possibility, but something again which needs to be used in tandem with other means of raising the tax base. As Kezia admitted 3 days ago...

https://www.holyrood.com/articles/inside-politics/kezia-dugdale-her-approach-leadership

The IFS says it would be less that 8.4 million based on projections of just 100 million UK wide ( in January 2014 I don't know if they've revised things since then ). But at least Kezia was honest that it might raise 0. I doubt the press will have any such scruples with the headline grabbing.

http://www.ifs.org.uk/publications/7066

I know all the above, and all the contraindications we already know about it. Some of which Hamish mentioned earlier, which I agree with. It's gesture politics. But SNP included it in their GE manifesto, so she is going to have another explanation on her hands if she leaves it out of the H/R one.

For many new SNP ex labour voters, when SNP put themselves forward to fully mitigate against the so called bedroom tax up here, they opened the stable door. The horse has already bolted on an expectation that it forms part of a SG remit to mitigate the effect of certain cuts if they can. Labour would also now have the exact same problem.

If mindset and expectations were so easy to manage, the UK wouldn't have such an unsustainable welfare bill, nor annual deficit.

wotsthat

Shakethedisease wrote: »

LOL... go and find some 'positive' coverage then recently from any of the Scottish newspapers. Apart from commentators scratching their heads wondering why since the SNP are so terrible...

In short they don't dare be too positive. And those that used to be, seem to have been reigned in since there was a slew of, er.. "redundancies" of senior staff and hacks at places like The Herald.

That chip on your shoulder makes it difficult for you to see the difference between scrutiny and conspiracy.

wotsthat

Generali wrote: »

Don't forget that the reason Ms Sturgeon comes top is reach. While she is pretty popular, she has huge reach, probably due to being on the news pretty much every day.

That reach is what makes the difference in this table. Jeremy Clarkson is pretty roundly hated by the Scottish it would appear but he does well in the table due to high reach.

That's right - if they'd presented the data based only on positivity it would be topped by Morgan Freeman and dismissed as nonsense. Add the reach in and Sturgeon is the most popular person in Scotland against all the odds! I don't know if the Herald is one of the newspapers that hate the SNP but I'd say it's been reported pretty favourably.

CLAPTON

of course, the apparent fact that Nicola is the most popular person in scotland is a product both of Nicola and of the people of scotland

Shakethedisease

skintmacflint wrote: »

I know all the above, and all the contraindications we already know about it. Some of which Hamish mentioned earlier, which I agree with. It's gesture politics. But SNP included it in their GE manifesto, so she is going to have another explanation on her hands if she leaves it out of the H/R one.

For many new SNP ex labour voters, when SNP put themselves forward to fully mitigate against the so called bedroom tax up here, they opened the stable door. The horse has already bolted on an expectation that it forms part of a SG remit to mitigate the effect of certain cuts if they can. Labour would also now have the exact same problem.

If mindset and expectations were so easy to manage, the UK wouldn't have such an unsustainable welfare bill, nor annual deficit.

I guess we'll have to wait until manifesto's are out. But it's a little early imo to start castigating the SNP for 50p tax raises or not until we know either way. Don't you think ?

It's also a little puzzling that Scottish Labour think that Scots should pay ever more in taxes, simply to mitigate cuts made from Westminster. Yet think Scotland should never be independent ? That sort of policy making really isn't sustainable long term. Because it doesn't make any sense.

A lot of ex-Labour voters are highly politically engaged these days ( which is why Daily Record sales are tanking ).. And I'm afraid Ms Dugdale's promises are unravelling at a rate of knots already online. And if Osborne does any sort of U-turn on tax credits in his Autumn statement.. she's going to be left with nothing to promote for the next 6/7 months. Swinney, as I've said, has already stated upfront there is no hope of reversing tax credits cuts as they stand. The Bedroom tax was a nightmare to mitigate, needed permission from Westminster. And is locally funded. Tax credits are a different thing entirely.

Alan Trench, an honorary senior research fellow at the Constitution Unit at University College London, said under the legislation there were no legislative proposals to restore tax credit cuts.“The powers that are in the Scotland Bill at the moment don’t allow it,” he said.

He said the new powers to top up welfare benefits only related to benefits administered by the Department for Work and Pensions and not schemes run through the income tax system.
“There is a limitation in the Bill that top ups have to relate to existing welfare schemes and I don’t think for these purposes income tax credits are a welfare scheme or a short-term discretionary payment.

He added: “Tax credits are always a difficult area because they are both a benefit and a negative income tax. Tax credits are not part of what is a reserved [benefit] as they function through the tax system so it’s a legally rather dubious reading to place a great deal of weight to do something that will be immensely complicated to make work, not least because HMRC are the ones that administer tax credits.”

Shakethedisease

wotsthat wrote: »

That chip on your shoulder makes it difficult for you to see the difference between scrutiny and conspiracy.

Couldn't find any 'positive' coverage then ?

Shakethedisease

wotsthat wrote: »

That's right - if they'd presented the data based only on positivity it would be topped by Morgan Freeman and dismissed as nonsense. Add the reach in and Sturgeon is the most popular person in Scotland against all the odds! I don't know if the Herald is one of the newspapers that hate the SNP but I'd say it's been reported pretty favourably.

The poll was reported in a few places. I just used the Herald's graphic.. and to be perfectly honest, I didn't put it up to be taken seriously. I didn't think anyone actually would. It was in order to highlight the difference between what Chris Deerin perceives as 'disappointment' and what Yougov reported a few days ago.

wotsthat

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Couldn't find any 'positive' coverage then ?

Nicola Sturgeon is being widely reported as the most popular living Scot. Seems positive to me but I note it's the wrong sort of positive coverage.

Shakethedisease

wotsthat wrote: »

Nicola Sturgeon is being widely reported as the most popular living Scot. Seems positive to me but I note it's the wrong sort of positive coverage.

Those are the results of a not to be taken too seriously poll which also included Morgan Freeman and Judi Dench. You claim that there is loads of widespread positive coverage for the SNP in the media, and that I simply have a chip on my shoulder. I only asked where your evidence of this positive media coverage was.

CLAPTON

Shakethedisease wrote: »

The Bedroom tax was a nightmare to mitigate, needed permission from Westminster. And is locally funded. Tax credits are a different thing entirely.

spare bedroom subsidy funded by SNP for council tenants but not for private tenants (in otherwise similar circumstances)

part of the SNPs fairer, more equal scotland