Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

Happygreen

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Complete rubbish adds nothing to the debate. Politicians of all parties do so to serve the public interest. To suggest otherwise is complete tosh.

You must be joking. Show me a Tory who serves the PUBLIC interest. The interest they serve is their own and their mates, oops , they call them "peers" .

Shakethedisease

skintmacflint wrote: »

Think that justification has been ably dispelled by Shake when she spoke of how Labour were the main party in Scotland for decades up here, before being ousted. Despite the fact with few exceptions, the best were reserved for sending to Westminster, while SNP could sharpen their craft with their best.

8 years isn't that long compared to 40. Particularly when handed a nice generous budget, with only devolved issues to be responsible for. Any hard decisions on welfare and defence, which voters don't like can always be blamed on Westminster. Nice win win situation for SNP.

They've only had a majority for four years, not eight. For the first four years they had to work with all other parties, and vice versa ( ie agree ) in order to pass Scottish legislation and budgets.

You're crediting me with a crystal ball I don't claim to have. I only pointed out to the numerous assertions that it's all bound to come crashing down for the SNP 'sometime soon'...that in the past it took decades for Labour to be toppled. The SNP are far from perfect.. but as far as many in Scotland are concerned, for now, they're the best we have. So the votes are unlikely to be going elsewhere for now.
Not until some of the other parties give themselves a good shake ( no pun intended) and start answering the question 'well, what would you do ?' when asked in interviews occasionally.

Happygreen

I just thought I'd throw these lovely guys and girls into the discussion - it might help the willing to understand.
http://www.englishscotsforyes.org/

Generali

Isn't the block grant being reduced because Scotland is taking over the job of taxing Scots as well as spending?

http://www.gov.scot/Publications/2014/10/2706/4

This is the first Draft Budget in which our spending plans are partly underpinned by the financial powers devolved by the Scotland Act 2012. For the first time since devolution, a proportion of Scottish spending will be funded by revenues from two taxes established by the Scottish Parliament, to replace existing UK taxes. In addition, we will be able to exercise limited capital borrowing powers to expand our infrastructure investment programme. The Scottish Government regards these powers as a modest step toward the Scottish Parliament becoming fully responsible for revenues and spending.

I note with interest the fact that Scotland will be responsible for collecting and spending a chunk of income tax from April. It will be interesting to see how the SNP manage to make austerity the fault of the hated English oppressors when they have it in their power to increase tax rates with no additional administrative costs:

The Scotland Act 2012 also provides for the Scottish rate of income tax which will replace the Scottish Variable Rate. On present plans, all Scottish taxpayers will see their rate of UK income tax on non-savings, non-dividend income reduced by 10 pence in the pound across each income tax band from April 2016. The Scottish Parliament will be able to pass a Resolution setting a Scottish rate to replace the 10 pence reduction. This is a rate-setting power only, so the Scottish Parliament will not be able to influence the thresholds between rates or the tax base under current legislative provisions. The Scottish rate will be administered by HMRC. Further details will be provided in due course.

zagubov

Generali wrote: »

Isn't the block grant being reduced because Scotland is taking over the job of taxing Scots as well as spending?

http://www.gov.scot/Publications/2014/10/2706/4



I note with interest the fact that Scotland will be responsible for collecting and spending a chunk of income tax from April. It will be interesting to see how the SNP manage to make austerity the fault of the hated English oppressors when they have it in their power to increase tax rates with no additional administrative costs:

Didn't we mention that this was being given boxing gloves when they needed surgical gloves?
What would be the point ?
They're not the tools for the job.
They're not usable powers.

Generali

zagubov wrote: »

Didn't we mention that this was being given boxing gloves when they needed surgical gloves?
What would be the point ?
They're not the tools for the job.
They're not usable powers.

Why not?

There will be no additional cost to the Scots from varying the taxes that I can see, indeed the SNP Government has already changed LBTT, one of the two taxes for which the Scottish Government collects and keeps, which is now different from SDLT.

skintmacflint

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Hague's figs are causing amusement on Twitter tonight. Have you followed it Skinmacflint ? Andrew Neil must be sloshed. He's actually trolling Wings.
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Not being a member of Twitter, Facebook etc, and with even finding it near impossible , despite expert instruction to provide a link to an article or site as you've probably noticed, I don't follow anyone as a routine.I don't even get update notices from MSE on this thread for some reason.

So the answer to your question would be no.

skintmacflint

Shakethedisease wrote: »

They've only had a majority for four years, not eight. For the first four years they had to work with all other parties, and vice versa ( ie agree ) in order to pass Scottish legislation and budgets.

You're crediting me with a crystal ball I don't claim to have. I only pointed out to the numerous assertions that it's all bound to come crashing down for the SNP 'sometime soon'...that in the past it took decades for Labour to be toppled. The SNP are far from perfect.. but as far as many in Scotland are concerned, for now, they're the best we have. So the votes are unlikely to be going elsewhere for now.
Not until some of the other parties give themselves a good shake ( no pun intended) and start answering the question 'well, what would you do ?' when asked in interviews occasionally.

Strange about the crystal ball as many of your points seem to indicate the contrary. Couldn't resist it. Lol.

But leg pulling aside think I've been pretty clear for over a year in suggesting SNP will be in majority power up here in 2016 and possibly for some time to come.

I've even suggested which you questioned if Independence was gained , SNP would likely retain power in Scotland for decades.

But I still think my point was valid. But there's a big difference between voting for a devolved parliament and Independence. Which perhaps explains why an article in the National recently suggested increase in Yes support as shown in polls, seems to have levelled and stalled just below 50%. Another accidental find incidentally.

If SNP want to improve these figures, they need to cut out the rhetoric and pantomime at Westminster, and come up with some ideas of their own. It's not just SNP voters who have switched off in droves.

elantan

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Hague's figs are causing amusement on Twitter tonight. Have you followed it Skinmacflint ? Andrew Neil must be sloshed. He's actually trolling Wings.




So Campbell was right after all. Neil was on about money the Scottish Govt don't control or can divert elsewhere. Scottish Govt has had a 10% cut in it's own spending budget.

He can't.

The starred out bit isn't a swear word. Just a gentleman's nether region things.

I followed that, Neil even wanted to grill Stu at one point ... Stu said yep let's do this a question for a question ... the silence from Neil was deafening

elantan

elantan wrote: »

Yes as you say it cuts both ways ... tell me then how do u deal with the dichotomy of English hating the Scot's it doesn't appear to bother you as much as the Scot's/ nationalists/ SNP hating ( in your perceived view) the English

You do focus more on one direction of travel for the hatred I've noticed

Hey Generali maybe missed your reply to this one as well... string answered but I am curious to know how you feel regarding the dichotomy

Are you like string and believe it's only one way ? Unable to accept that it goes both ways ...

Or do you accept that yes there are a portion of people in England that hate Scots?

I noticed once again you referred to our perceived hatred of the English in your post to Shakey ... I do feel sorry for you being so blinded you can not see tbh ... and it's a blinding of your own making and choosing to remain ... such a shame