Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

.string.

Shakey, You're missing/ignoring the entire point I was making.

Not unusual unfortunately.

Leanne1812

.string. wrote: »

Shakey, You're missing/ignoring the entire point I was making.

Not unusual unfortunately.

Sorry string but I think you are. I've read your exchanges with Elantan and whilst I'm not denying there is anti Scottish & English sentiments from some I don't think it is as you perceive it.

Have you ever been to Scotland? We're actually quite hospitable folk. It's a very small minority who have these views.

The SNP are just a normal party. They're not extremists or far left/right. They just want something that you fundamentally don't. As such I think you find it impossible to see any positive aspects about them. Before you ask what are they, well many different things to many people. They've been in power for 8 years and likely to be so again next year. Surely if they were so disastrous they'd be toast?

black_taxi_2

If Scotland is a drain on UK resources why do Labour/LibDems/Torys refuse a Federal Union


We will raise spend all our own tax--and give you a cheq for defence


60% + want home rule

CLAPTON

black_taxi wrote: »

If Scotland is a drain on UK resources why do Labour/LibDems/Torys refuse a Federal Union


We will raise spend all our own tax--and give you a cheq for defence


60% + want home rule

would the majority of the UK people support a federal union?
what are the advantages and disadvantages of the federal union?
what powers would each 'state' have ?
what powers would the federal government have?

black_taxi_2

would the majority of the UK people support a federal union?
no idea

what are the advantages and disadvantages of the federal union?
economic development local to each country
business rates

what powers would each 'state' have ?
federal would be defined as country

what powers would the federal government have?
their is no federal government

CLAPTON

would there be a currency single currency or one for each state?

who would set bank interest rates

who would determine money supply

who would guarantee bank deposits

who would determine 'state' borrowing limits

who would guarantee state borrowing deposits

zagubov

Generali wrote: »

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I don't think a Nationalist party containing racists could be described as a Black Swan event (if that's what you are alluding to).

No but the idea that all "nationalisms" have to be ethnic and based on racism is a premature inductive generalisation, as might become apparent when you examine civic nationalism, which you seem less familiar with.

CLAPTON

zagubov wrote: »

No but the idea that all "nationalisms" have to be ethnic and based on racism is a premature inductive generalisation, as might become apparent when you examine civic nationalism, which you seem less familiar with.

do you think that the value systems of civic nationalism are sufficiently different between scotland and england to justify separation?

if so, and noting you live in england, which system do you consider morally superior?

black_taxi_2

no country is moraly superior


but every politician --each county cant help themselves"(we have the best armed forces in the world")

zagubov

CLAPTON wrote: »

do you think that the value systems of civic nationalism are sufficiently different between scotland and england to justify separation?

if so, and noting you live in england, which system do you consider morally superior?

I don't know if there is a sense of civic nationalism in England. I recognise that there is an unease about how patriotism can be expressed here that I'm not sure happens anywhere else.

I think that one of the differences between England and Scotland is that north of the Tweed, patriotism is seem as a positive attribute that can be celebrated, but that south of the Tweed it's seen almost as a character flaw.

The only nationalist parties I see here are genuinely nationalist, in an ethnic sense and based on hatred of other countries rather than love of England. I'm therefore not surprised by any negative attitudes about the SNP or the concept of Scottish "nationalism" that I encounter here.

Neither is morally superior.