Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

Generali

Tromking wrote: »

You'll disagree no doubt, but I have a feeling there is link between Scotland's apparent progressive inclinations and the fact that someone else is paying for it. If Scotland were ever to return to a situation where they could only spend what they raised themselves then I think you'd see a different mindset take hold.
I have feeling a Federal UK would be a financial disaster for every other country except England.

At a current oil price it would mean that England got quite a large fiscal boost and the rest of the UK got a large fiscal deterioration.

If we see record oil prices ever again (highly unlikely IMHO due to the rise of small US producers) then Scotland is potentially self-funding.

Thrugelmir

Leanne1812 wrote: »

I don't think anyone would have a problem with purely English matters but this is a grey area. If a vote will have an impact through funding or other implications for other parts of the UK then it is not an English only matter. Are you convinced this will be 100% adhered to? I'm not.

It is also the UK Parliament for all MP's from all areas. it is not an English only parliament.

So you are happy to have a Scottish only Parliament ?

As I said self interest rules.

Shakethedisease

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Scotland's funding hasn't been cut.

It's risen in both cash terms and real terms every year for the last 4 years, and is now at the highest level ever.



EVEL is absolutely the right thing to do.

It poses no threat to Scottish funding (as it specifically excludes matters which impact on the Barnett settlement), and prevents the SNP (or any other Scottish MP's) from trying to blackmail parliament on close votes that affect England only.

Scottish MP-s should have no right to vote on matters like Fox Hunting, Heathrow Runways, etc.

Salmond's days of mischief making on England-Only matters are over.

No, this is about the running of Westminster. The SNP/Heathrow/Fox Hunting are just a distraction and too short sighted by FAR... EVEL essentially means.. Conservatives vetoing and controlling what happens for the vast majority of the UK population, for a very long time. Even, if Labour win throughout the UK. If the Tories have more English MP's.... well then...

Absorb the below. And then have a rethink about what EVEL is about.




ps Yes Scottish Govt funding has been cut. By 10%.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Generali wrote: »

While we're on the subject of matters fiscal it looks like the English subsidy to Scotland will continue to climb:

http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/oct/21/north-sea-tax-revenues-plummet-negative-first-time-history

No wonder Ms Sturgeon is in no rush to have another referendum on Scottish independence! Londoners are now subsidising the Scottish oil industry.

Indeed.

It is completely, utterly, impossible for Scotland to go independent in the foreseeable future without engaging in Austerity that would make even the Greek's eyes water.

And with the continued decline of NS production volume (so almost regardless of price), potentially ever.

We really did dodge a bullet there...

CLAPTON

Shakethedisease wrote: »

No, this is about the running of Westminster. The SNP/Heathrow/Fox Hunting are just a distraction and too short sighted by FAR... EVEL essentially means.. Conservatives vetoing and controlling what happens for the vast majority of the UK population, for a very long time. Even, if Labour win throughout the UK. If the Tories have more English MP's.... well then...

Absorb the below. And then have a rethink about what EVEL is about.




ps Yes Scottish Govt funding has been cut. By 10%.

you are against rule by democratic elections unless they give the 'right ' result?

Leanne1812

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Scotland's funding hasn't been cut.

It's risen in both cash terms and real terms every year for the last 4 years, and is now at the highest level ever.



EVEL is absolutely the right thing to do.

It poses no threat to Scottish funding (as it specifically excludes matters which impact on the Barnett settlement), and prevents the SNP (or any other Scottish MP's) from trying to blackmail parliament on close votes that affect England only.

Scottish MP-s should have no right to vote on matters like Fox Hunting, Heathrow Runways, etc.

Salmond's days of mischief making on England-Only matters are over.

I didn't say funding had been cut. I said if an English only vote has an implication of funding then it's not an English only issue.

You are, of course, entitled to your opinion but I do think this weakens rather than strengthens the union.

Thrugelmir

elantan wrote: »

I'm not annoyed with the English at all dear Hamish , they are looking after their rights ..... I'm annoyed with No voters ... we didn't have to go through this crap if only we voted correct last year

Time may well tell they've got it right. Low oil price is having an impact far and wide. Not just the oil industry that's suffering redundancies. Those expats working in the Middle East aren't immune either for example.

Shakethedisease

Thrugelmir wrote: »

So you are happy to have a Scottish only Parliament ?

As I said self interest rules.

A Scottish independent one yes. As things stand.. the Scottish only Parliament NEVER has any knock-on effects when it's MSP's vote on Scottish only matters.

As Leanne says, EVEL is a grey area as the same doesn't apply. And some here would say, even if EVEL does have a negative knock on effect on Scottish funding then that's just 'too bad'. It's not self interest to point out the obvious.

Shakethedisease

CLAPTON wrote: »

you are against rule by democratic elections unless they give the 'right ' result?

Not at all ! Vote Conservative to your hearts content. However, English votes for English Laws... when Conservative MP's are in the majority in England.. mean Conservative votes for English laws. Even if ( and at the moment it looks remote I admit )..Labour are in power due to MP numbers from across the UK. Not much chance of Scottish or Welsh MP's in their cabinets in prominent positions either.

Is simple unavoidable logic and arithmetic.

Tromking

elantan wrote: »

I'm not annoyed with the English at all dear Hamish , they are looking after their rights ..... I'm annoyed with No voters ... we didn't have to go through this crap if only we voted correct last year

But there's crap and there's crap.
A yes vote would have meant that an independent Scottish government in waiting would now be desperately trying to protect Scottish public services from the self inflicted £6bn black hole in Scotland's finances.