Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Shakethedisease wrote: »

ps Yes Scottish Govt funding has been cut. By 10%.

Nonsense.

Here's the Scottish government's own figures.



In real terms, so adjusted for inflation, the Scottish budget has increased every year for the last 4 years and is now back to the previous record high of 2009.

There is no Austerity in Scotland.

Just an SNP government misallocating funding.

Leanne1812

Thrugelmir wrote: »

So you are happy to have a Scottish only Parliament ?

As I said self interest rules.

I think the fact that I voted Yes last year answers your question.

Generali

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Indeed.

It is completely, utterly, impossible for Scotland to go independent in the foreseeable future without engaging in Austerity that would make even the Greek's eyes water.

And with the continued decline of NS production volume (so almost regardless of price), potentially ever.

We really did dodge a bullet there...

So what next for the SNP? I mean the leaders aren't stupid, they must realise what independence would mean for Scotland fiscally and that, presumably, the Scottish people would never forgive them for it.

How do they remain as a pro-independence party that doesn't actually want independence? If, as STD and others claim, support for another vote is building in Scotland then presumably the SNP couldn't deny the Scots another vote forever. Do they become a party just seeking ever bigger handouts from London? If they do I can see someone standing on a platform looking to cut the English subsidy to Scotland.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Shakethedisease wrote: »

EVEL essentially means.. Conservatives vetoing and controlling what happens for the vast majority of the UK population, for a very long time. Even, if Labour win throughout the UK. If the Tories have more English MP's.... well then... .

Then what?

I could post a map of Scotland that shows a greater level of dominance for the SNP up here.

If England wants to elect Conservatives then let them.

Makes not the slightest bit of difference to Scotland, as the EVEL law specifically excludes matters which affect the Barnett funding settlement, and only covers matters which affect England Only.

Generali

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Just an SNP government misallocating funding.

The SNP wants to spend the money from the block grant on gimmicks like 'free' uni places and 'free' car parking and nationalising loss making airports. That automatically means less money to spend on other things.

If you have children at primary school or want something from the hospital system which doesn't involve parking your car then the current situation probably feels a lot like austerity even if it isn't.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Generali wrote: »

So what next for the SNP? .

Nothing.

They'll flail around in impotent rage waiting for a miracle in oil revenue that ain't coming.

Then they'll spend the next 5-10 years desperately trying to avoid another indyref while at the same time telling their voters they desperately want another indyref.

And finally they'll get voted out of office for a generation when the public tires of watching them blame Westminster for things that are 100% within their control.

Like the NHS.....

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Generali wrote: »

The SNP wants to spend the money from the block grant on gimmicks like 'free' uni places and 'free' car parking and nationalising loss making airports. That automatically means less money to spend on other things.

If you have children at primary school or want something from the hospital system which doesn't involve parking your car then the current situation probably feels a lot like austerity even if it isn't.

Yes of course it is.

The Scottish budget has risen every year for 4 years.

In the meantime the NHS and Education funding has seen cuts as a proportion of GDP because the SNP are choosing to spend the money elsewhere, like paying for the Spare Room Subsidy for benefits claimants.

Thrugelmir

Leanne1812 wrote: »

I think the fact that I voted Yes last year answers your question.

I've voted yes in my life too. Doesn't mean that I cannot revise my opinion as circumstances change. Then change my mind again. Salmond certainly isn't stupid. He jumped while his reputation was intact. Far too often politicians hang on in quiet desperation.

Generali

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Nothing.

They'll flail around in impotent rage waiting for a miracle in oil revenue that ain't coming.

Then they'll spend the next 5-10 years desperately trying to avoid another indyref while at the same time telling their voters they desperately want another indyref.

And finally they'll get voted out of office for a generation when the public tires of watching them blame Westminster for things that are 100% within their control.

It'll be interesting if Westminster call their bluff. It's not just the Nationalists that can hang about waiting for a presumed majority before calling a referendum.

CLAPTON

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Not at all ! Vote Conservative to your hearts content. However, English votes for English Laws... when Conservative MP's are in the majority in England.. mean Conservative votes for English laws. Even if ( and at the moment it looks remote I admit )..Labour are in power due to MP numbers from across the UK. Not much chance of Scottish or Welsh MP's in their cabinets in prominent positions either.

Is simple unavoidable logic and arithmetic.

I agree a Scot or Welsh NEVER EVER had a change of being in UK cabinet or a major post in opposition party

Not many Welsh or English in a Scottish Government

Not many conservatives in a Scottish government

what exactly do you hate about democracy?

300 years of hatred and dependency culture