Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

Shakethedisease

Generali wrote: »

IIRC, Labour would have had 2 PMs after WW2 without Scottish votes: Atlee and Blair. It's hard to see how Labour could have remained as a mass party for 50 years without an election victory.

Labour don't need Scottish MP's in order to win. Though they're handy to make up the numbers.

Statistically, Labour would still have won every election it did win since 1945 without Scotland, except for 20 months in 1964-66 and 8 months in 1974

https://www.quora.com/Politics-of-the-United-Kingdom/Could-the-Labour-Party-ever-win-an-election-without-Scotland

I leave the minutiae of Scottish politics to you as you know far more than me about it. From afar I do rather get the feeling that Labour were treating the Central Belt and Glasgow in particular as their fief to be divvied up as the power brokers saw fit. In the end the Scots, rather understandably, got fed up with being treated as ballot box stuffers.

You're probably right about that.

Shakethedisease

elantan wrote: »

seems to be heating up at the conference 570 to 440 on radical changes to land reform , have to admit that was another thing I didnt like about the SNP ... watering down that bill was a bad move... seems I am not alone in thinking that

It's been sent back to remit, in order to beef it up by the looks of it. Lesley is clipping her heels.

Lesley Riddoch ‏@LesleyRiddoch Amazing news fm #SNP15. I hear conference remitted Leadership motion on land reform back cos not strong enough. Well done rank &file members

Shakethedisease

.string. wrote: »

Yes I've been watching that.

I thought Andres Neil was rough with Hosie.

Great!

A lot was made of the oil price which the SNP overegged at the time their manifesto, the White Paper, was published. It was high then and it became clearer and clearer during the Referendum campaign that the oil price was tumbling further. Hosie could only bluster as usual.

That's because it's last years news. And Neil was wrong to attribute Oil price predictions solely to the SNP. There were no more wrong than anyone else was. And they've admitted it too ( getting it wrong ).



Andrew Neil has been exchanging cosy twitter messages with Kevin Hague ( chokka.. whatever, Hamish knows who he is ).. Neil also misrepresented hospital waiting times/targets and comparing the Scottish NHS and the English one purely in terms of spending is questionable to say the least as they're entirely different entities... and worst of all he wouldn't let Hosie finish any of his sentences.

http://isdscotland.org/ published weekly.




Mark Diffley ‏@markdiffley1 Sep 2 On key battleground policies for #sp16 @theSNP ahead, except environment where @scotgp in lead....
( Diffley Ipsos-Mori polling ).




All in all pretty standard interviewing from Andrew Neil.

kabayiri

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Train crash TV.... Hosie got ripped apart.
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I've seen Mr Hosie being interviewed by Andrew Marr a few times now.

He needs to rethink his approach. The evasive traditional "I'll answer your question by talking about something else" isn't endearing him to the interviewers.

Don't the SNP have anyone else more media friendly? Alex Salmond was at least warm in front of camera.

elantan

Shakethedisease wrote: »

It's been sent back to remit, in order to beef it up by the looks of it. Lesley is clipping her heels.

Yeah I noticed Lesley ... quite right too its a subject very close to her heart, she must be slowly feeling as if all that hard work she put in during indy ref has slowly started to materialise..

I take my hat off to the SNP as well, the delegates are showing they are more than capable of thought other than indy ref 2, they are showing the leadership what they think and they are standing up for Scotland ... the Leadership have accepted it and will work on it

If I was a SNP member I would be helluva proud right now ... They did excellent today

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Shakethedisease wrote: »

That's because it's last years news.

Nope.

It's far from last years news.

Scotland would be going independent in just a few months had the SNP won.

Straight into the teeth of an economic crisis.

Oil wasn't "the icing on the cake" as you and so many other claimed.

If we were going indy in the next 6 months we'd have to cut spending by 14% or increase taxes by 16%.

Which do you prefer?

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Shakethedisease

elantan wrote: »

Yeah I noticed Lesley ... quite right too its a subject very close to her heart, she must be slowly feeling as if all that hard work she put in during indy ref has slowly started to materialise..

I take my hat off to the SNP as well, the delegates are showing they are more than capable of thought other than indy ref 2, they are showing the leadership what they think and they are standing up for Scotland ... the Leadership have accepted it and will work on it

If I was a SNP member I would be helluva proud right now ... They did excellent today

And you're going to love this..;)

Iain Macwhirter ‏@iainmacwhirter 2 hrs2 hours ago "I heard on the lunchtime news that SNP leadership defeated on land reform. I said "good"". Alex Salmond #SNP15

elantan

Ohhh I saw that .... my twitter status reflected my adoration


Have been seriously wanting to write to the man for years ... but didn't want to appear a stalker ... sorely tempted though ... even more since indy ref

Shakethedisease

kabayiri wrote: »

I've seen Mr Hosie being interviewed by Andrew Marr a few times now.

He needs to rethink his approach. The evasive traditional "I'll answer your question by talking about something else" isn't endearing him to the interviewers.

Don't the SNP have anyone else more media friendly? Alex Salmond was at least warm in front of camera.

SNP members voted for Mr Hosie as deputy SNP Leader. He's very well liked.

I expect he was a bit aghast at the fact that Andrew Neil was firstly trying to re-run last years referendum debate on oil prices.... based on the fact that the SNP didn't have the same crystal ball that no-one else had either... then went on to completely insult his wife's ( Hosie's ) competence and performance as Health Minister based on completely made up figures.

Andrew Neil has just been as they say 'shown up/telt/pwnd on Twitter for his, misdirected and very misinformed comments.

David Brown ‏@David_Brown_35 4h4 hours ago @politicshome @afneil "Waiting time targets...had been missed for 6 years" That's incorrect http://news.scotland.gov.uk/News/Monthly-A-E-performance-improves-1c78.aspx …

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Andrew Neil ‏@afneil 4h4 hours ago @David_Brown_35 @politicshome The target is 98%. Missed. Please don't try to out do me on facts.

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George Wallis ‏@george_wallis 3h3 hours ago @afneil @David_Brown_35 @politicshome afaik a 98% target for a&e hasn't yet been implemented.

David Brown ‏@David_Brown_35 4h4 hours ago @DartboardR That the target is currently 95% not 98%.

John McKay ‏@johnmcinroe 2h2 hours ago Aberdeen, ScotlandThe target is 95% within 4 hours. The aspiration is 98% - not yet set. #SNP15 #bbcdp

And so the thread went on, at length. Andrew Neil owes Stewart Hosie an apology. I doubt we'll be seeing it any time soon.