Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

Mistermeaner

Scotland if you don't get fracking you're fooked (and the English will steal Aberdeen):

http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/news/6694410/Get-frack-on-track.html

Full statement:

Shale gas is Scotland's best and last chance to gain economic independence. On the one hand the country can embrace the energy revolution, re-invigorate manufacturing industry and create jobs for generations to come. Or Scotland can turn its back on this abundant raw material and leave it to England. It is crucial that Shale gas must be extracted safely and we have no issue with the Scottish government’s evidence led approach. But this is not a brand new untested technology and the science is very clear.Over a million Shale gas wells have been drilled in the US and we have learned how to do it right. The Scottish government set up an independent scientific expert panel two years ago concluded that a Shale gas industry would be hugely beneficial to Scotland and could operate safely. Shale gas is crucial to our future as North Sea gas is running out. Our Grangemouth plant needs it for both energy and raw materials. North Sea production has fallen by two thirds since its peak and few new fields are being developed. This means it can’t provide the quantity it used to or give Scotland the money it once did. INEOS has spent over £450 million in a project to bring US Shale gas to Scotland. But it’s a crying shame that we are importing American gas when we could be producing our own. We respect the Scottish government is still deep in thought over fracking. It is an important decision for the country to take. But take too long and the opportunity will pass by. England is now moving forward with shale and it would be a tragedy for Scotland if England ends up taking the lead in this exciting industry, securing the jobs and investments.It could mean that the North West of England becomes the next Aberdeen, rather than our central belt.Shale gas will generate jobs and help secure manufacturing. It will help communities through our scheme to give locals six percent of proceeds. But Scotland has got to seize the opportunity. Otherwise England will.

Mistermeaner

also: ripples across the pond

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/sns-wp-blm-ineoss-16ba7f26-7339-11e5-ba14-318f8e87a2fc-20151015-story.html

elantan

Mistermeaner wrote: »

Scotland if you don't get fracking you're fooked (and the English will steal Aberdeen):

http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/news/6694410/Get-frack-on-track.html

Full statement:

The SNP conference appeared to loudly just tell Ineos where to go from my twitter feed

CLAPTON

elantan wrote: »

The SNP conference appeared to loudly just tell Ineos where to go from my twitter feed

excellent news


lets hope for more anti business bile from SNP

Thrugelmir

elantan wrote: »

The SNP conference appeared to loudly just tell Ineos where to go from my twitter feed

Doesn't INEOS own Grangemouth?

Generali

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Labour won't win power ever again without England. There's border changes and EVEL in the offing too. They don't need Scotland to win. However, a good resurgence in May next year for Holyrood would bolster the troops and shine a bit of light ahead. They've got lots of time to worry about England afterwards.

IIRC, Labour would have had 2 PMs after WW2 without Scottish votes: Atlee and Blair. It's hard to see how Labour could have remained as a mass party for 50 years without an election victory.

Shakethedisease wrote: »

They were too rightwing in Scotland. And were staring to be viewed as such which is why their votes were declining in the Scottish elections. The referendum and 'aligning' with the Tories, and so easily too, just confirmed it and carried over to the UK elections. Labour and the other parties in Scotland only have to come up with some policies of their own. It's not rocket science. They're stuck in an 'SNP bad' loop that seems to be just, going.. on and on.... forever. It's never ending and everywhere, everyday, 24/7...... In other words, no-one takes any notice anymore. It's run of the mill stuff.

No-one, however disillusioned with the SNP will ever switch and vote Labour until they have some policies again. At the present time, dissing the SNP for absolutely everything they do isn't winning votes back. And it won't until they have something concrete to offer as an alternative. Dugdale v's Sturgeon as First Minister ? That's the choice in front of us next May. I don't think it will be a particularly difficult one to be honest.

Murdo Fraser suggested just that a few years ago. Even to the point of changing the name as he felt 'Conservatives' was too toxic in Scotland to gain traction again. But it was slapped down quick style.

I leave the minutiae of Scottish politics to you as you know far more than me about it. From afar I do rather get the feeling that Labour were treating the Central Belt and Glasgow in particular as their fief to be divvied up as the power brokers saw fit. In the end the Scots, rather understandably, got fed up with being treated as ballot box stuffers.

kabayiri

Some classic "Hosie not answering Marrs' questions" going on right now, on the Daily Politics.

Clearly, Hosie is not happy on answering any questions about how the SNP would have covered the £8bn shortfall due to oil revenue slumps, if they had won the referendum.

I don't think Marr and Hosie will be swapping Xmas cards...

.string.

Yes I've been watching that.

I thought Andres Neil was rough with Hosie.

Great!

A lot was made of the oil price which the SNP overegged at the time their manifesto, the White Paper, was published. It was high then and it became clearer and clearer during the Referendum campaign that the oil price was tumbling further. Hosie could only bluster as usual.

elantan

seems to be heating up at the conference 570 to 440 on radical changes to land reform , have to admit that was another thing I didnt like about the SNP ... watering down that bill was a bad move... seems I am not alone in thinking that

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

kabayiri wrote: »

Clearly, Hosie is not happy on answering any questions about how the SNP would have covered the £8bn shortfall due to oil revenue slumps, if they had won the referendum..

Train crash TV.... Hosie got ripped apart.

Raise taxes by 16% or cut spending by 14%.

Choose one and tell us.

(But stop lying and obfuscating)