Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

elantan

Shakethedisease wrote: »

I've been called an mad cult extremist by you in the past.. When I went to quote your 'gentle leg pulling banter' back in a post later.. the mods must've removed your posts.. My skin must be thicker than the mods here in terms of insults. Who knew.



Don't bother answering this one elantan imo. There's little point. But it's up to you.

Oops just saw this ... obviously the phone screen needed pushed up lol

Thrugelmir

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Not really. These are powers from the old Scotland Act 2012, just coming into force 4 years later.. which will in turn be superceded by whatever the next round a la Smith/Vow/agrees to. Which Mundell is saying will be 'fast tracked'



The more things change, the more they stay the same. We'll have to wait and see what the SNP do. But the Scotland Act 2012 has been WELL overtaken by events.

Little point in bleating about "Westminster Cuts". If the Scottish Government doesn't use it's powers to fund additional welfare spending. All the waffling gets tiresome. When the choice is there to be made. My guess is the whole issue will be sidestepped. That's because politicians dance to their own tunes these days rather than the electorates. Anything which is negative to an independence yes vote will be dropped off the SNP agenda. Not a comfortable position to be in.

.string.

As a discrete example:

As far as I understand it the SNP policy is to increase higher rate tax to 50%. That extra revenue raised would pay for additional welfare for the poor and needy. I presume that tax is fully justifiable in SNP's eyes. If they are able to make that change, why not do it? If they still believe in the social justice of their policy that is.

Mistermeaner

I've asked several times why the snp are not using the powers they have - it's a legit question that I don't know the answer to.

All that ever comes back is whiffle waffle in fake scottish or some tosh about process and vows.

Use what you got damn it.

Ooooooo party political broadcast by the snp just coming on. Och ayeeeeeeee

Mistermeaner

Engaged
Fairer
Westminster bad.
Dangerous and severe government. Limit freedoms of workers.
Tale of 2 parliaments.

Sry that's all I could type

Shakethedisease

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Little point in bleating about "Westminster Cuts". If the Scottish Government doesn't use it's powers to fund additional welfare spending. All the waffling gets tiresome. When the choice is there to be made. My guess is the whole issue will be sidestepped. That's because politicians dance to their own tunes these days rather than the electorates. Anything which is negative to an independence yes vote will be dropped off the SNP agenda. Not a comfortable position to be in.

The 2012 tax raising 'power's are across the board. You raise one tax band you raise them all. Raising taxes for everyone in every tax band, on top of the tax credits cuts to come next April, affecting the lowest paid and the least able to absorb them,...because of Tory cuts ? Dream on.

Yes the Tories WILL be blamed for tax credit cuts. And rightly so, since it's the Tories that are implementing them. That the SNP will then raise taxes across the board in some vain hope in mitigating them all ? Nope. Would be madness, there are just too many losing out, and those at the lower end can't possibly be expected to take the hit twice. Tory cuts are Tory cuts. There's not a lot more than can that can be said at the moment. It'll be the Conservative Party that will reap the full rewards of that particular policy.

*ps I think you're getting confused between the tax raising powers coming into force in April from the old 2012 Scotland Act. And the one's that Mundell is hoping to 'fast track' in 2017 from after the referendum and still going through parliament now ? ( No chance, it took from 1998 Calman to 2016 to get even those coming in April into force ).

Shakethedisease

Mistermeaner wrote: »

I've asked several times why the snp are not using the powers they have - it's a legit question that I don't know the answer to.

No Scottish Govt has ever risen the 3p in the £ tax, for the simple reason, that it would cost more to Admin than it would raise. It's an unusable tax raising power that even Scottish Labour Govt's didn't bother with.

All that ever comes back is whiffle waffle in fake scottish or some tosh about process and vows.

Use what you got damn it.

Ooooooo party political broadcast by the snp just coming on. Och ayeeeeeeee

Oooh lay off the booze before posting mabye ? The 'Vow' is only a year old. And the SNP use loads and loads of devolved powers every day. They run Scotland with them.

Now away and clack some sticks together and jingle some knee bells in a camp fashion to an accordian. <---- Oops sorry was I guilty of putting you in a wee box stamped 'English'. Oooh aaaar... :cool:

Shakethedisease

.string. wrote: »

As a discrete example:

As far as I understand it the SNP policy is to increase higher rate tax to 50%. That extra revenue raised would pay for additional welfare for the poor and needy. I presume that tax is fully justifiable in SNP's eyes. If they are able to make that change, why not do it? If they still believe in the social justice of their policy that is.

They don't have the powers and won't do for a while yet. Keep up. I don't like having to post things twice. You're another one confused with two different Scotland Acts. One of which hasn't actually been 'enacted' yet.

In April 2016 :-

The Act gave extra powers to the Scottish Parliament,[2] most notably:

• The ability to raise or lower income tax by 10p in the pound. Any change is applied equally across all tax bands.[3]

elantan

Shake you going this weekend?

I quite fancied the CW meeting with Lesley Riddoch that's on after the conference finishes but near the venue ... Tickets are free if your interested

.string.

Shakethedisease wrote: »

They don't have the powers and won't do for a while yet. Keep up. I don't like having to post things twice. You're another one confused with two different Scotland Acts. One of which hasn't actually been 'enacted' yet.

In April 2016 :-

For those who want a little information on this, refer to

Scottish independence: Why hasn't Holyrood used its tax varying powers?

That report was year, meanwhile;
SNP to consider raising Scots income tax next year

Read more: SNP to consider raising Scots income tax next year

So maybe, just maybe, the SNP will do something with their responsibility; I can hardly wait.

We must, however, wait to see what the new Devolution settlement will bring.