Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

Mistermeaner

It's about !!!!!! everything for the sake of an arbitrary and meaningless line on a map from centuries ago.

Nice

elantan

Yeah it is ... it's about so much more than I already explained ... I was trying to make it very simple

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

elantan wrote: »

It's about every country ( not just Scotland) having the right to decide it's future, the right to point it's self in the direction it wants to ...

We exercised that right and decided our future.

We voted to remain in the UK after being told repeatedly such a vote was a 'once in a generation' or even 'once in a lifetime' event.

Why do you have such a hard time respecting the will of the Scottish people?

As I say it certainly won't be easy but then leaving the parental home isn't always easy either

Scotland is a partner in a long and successful relationship.

Not a child needing to move away from home...

elantan

We were also promised a Better Together and a near federalism ... there has been no statement as to when (if) the date of the next indy ref will be ... but there has been a smith commission and I'm still waiting for my better together and my near federalism and devo max ...

It's about time the unionists stopped bleating about what hasn't been confirmed and started delivering on their promises

Cause we're watching ya know

CLAPTON

elantan wrote: »

We were also promised a Better Together and a near federalism ... there has been no statement as to when (if) the date of the next indy ref will be ... but there has been a smith commission and I'm still waiting for my better together and my near federalism and devo max ...

It's about time the unionists stopped bleating about what hasn't been confirmed and started delivering on their promises

Cause we're watching ya know

it does seem that some sections of Scotland just expect handouts all the time and are incapable of using any initiative or their existing powers to improve their own lot.
Perhaps you could start by looking at how your police force could be improved or are you waiting for Dave or Corbyn to do it for you?

.string.

elantan wrote: »

We were also promised a Better Together and a near federalism ... there has been no statement as to when (if) the date of the next indy ref will be ... but there has been a smith commission and I'm still waiting for my better together and my near federalism and devo max ...

It's about time the unionists stopped bleating about what hasn't been confirmed and started delivering on their promises

Cause we're watching ya know

Scotland is already better together; without our Union, you would be just a few months before bankruptcy and/or Greek Style Austerity.

What price then, for the SNP cynical lies and promises.

At least be honest about it if you claim not to be an SNP stooge.

Shakethedisease

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Mhari Black is going to have a long wait.

There is very little enthusiasm amongst most English people to abandon Trident, regardless of their political hue.

Corbyn knows this, and apparently has decided not to stick his head in a noose three weeks after election trying to force the rest of the party to agree to something they will never agree to. All that would accomplish is leaving the door open for another Blairite, Tory owned press approved stooge to get in.

And no one wants that, do they? Certainly not the SNP, who naturally are delighted to have a left wing Labour Party again. Brothers in arms and all that, just like they've been saying they wanted all along.

Anything else would suggest that... that they aren't really left wing at all. That they've just been saying whatever they thought Scottish people wanted to hear in order to get an independence vote their way.

Heavens forefend!!!

:eek:

I used Trident as an example. There's been a lot of 'now Corbyn is leader, Labour in Scotland will flourish again' type stuff going in recently. And I can see exactly where they're coming from.

He espouses a lot of the same things the SNP do... just with added unionism. He's even got a few of the same economists advising him as the SNP ( Stiglitz etc ). He appeals to those more 'reluctant' SNP voters who aren't that sure about independence, yet would like to see things like Trident gone, and Labour 'taking stands' against benefit caps and for a huge housebuilding drive, anti-austerity. But until Corbyn have have voted for the SNP anyway rather than the more 'blairite' Labour party of late.

But Corbyn has to take most of the Labour party with him. There's little point in 56 SNP MP's teaming up with 30 odd Labour MP's to vote against contentious bills in the HOC. While most of the Labour party vote otherwise. And as far as Scotland is concerned, Corbyn does himself no favours whatsoever by not getting even the most basic of facts right, yet repeating them mantra-like on national tv. It was like watching some sort of weird throwback to last year's BetterTogether campaign. Facts that someone with 3 secs on Google could find out were total tosh.

He is supposed to be a fresh start for Labour away from all that nonsense. Another politician coming out with exactly the same stuff as Jim Murphy a few months ago, is the very LAST thing the Labour party need up here.

Still, there's hope yet for him...

JEREMY Corbyn is moving towards backing a federal UK in an attempt to keep the Union together, it emerged yesterday.

Jon Trickett, the MP asked by Corbyn to look at constitutional issues, has indicated the new Labour leadership favours a “federal arrangement”.....A federal settlement would go further than the more powers proposals thrashed out by the Smith Commission, which was set up in the aftermath of the Scottish independence referendum to deliver the “vow”....

...Trickett said it was obvious that Scots were “unhappy” with the current situation. As a Unionist, he said he was keen to find a solution that kept the UK intact.

http://www.scotsman.com/news/uk/jeremy-corbyn-favouring-federal-uk-to-save-union-1-3899422

elantan

.string. wrote: »

Scotland is already better together; without our Union, you would be just a few months before bankruptcy and/or Greek Style Austerity.

What price then, for the SNP cynical lies and promises.

At least be honest about it if you claim not to be an SNP stooge.

Who says it's gonna be the SNP in charge in an independent Scotland ? That ain't carved in stone now is it ?

Shakethedisease

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Still, there's hope yet for him...

http://www.scotsman.com/news/uk/jeremy-corbyn-favouring-federal-uk-to-save-union-1-3899422

I take that back...

McDonnell turns to the SNP.

" I was devastated by Labour’s losses in Scotland.

The SNP has now voted against the living wage, against capping rent levels and just last week voted against fair taxes in Scotland to spend on schools. So here is my message to the people of Scotland:

Labour is now the only anti-austerity party.

Now’s the time to come home."

Straight from the recent Jim Murphy school of 'How to win SNP and Yes voters back'. Just lie, spin it a bit and hope the Daily Record triumphantly splash it front page and BBC Scotland lead with it as gospel for a week with no challenge. It wasn't a terribly successful tactic. And neither was the last line the last time it was used by a Labour chancellor.

Kate Devlin ‏@_katedevlin 3 hrs3 hours ago McDonnell calls on anti-austerity voters to "come home" to Labour. Same phrase used by Gordon Brown in 2007 week before SNP won 1st election

Yes, it's all going to go aris up.

Shakethedisease

elantan wrote: »

Who says it's gonna be the SNP in charge in an independent Scotland ? That ain't carved in stone now is it ?

Nail.On.Head.