Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

Shakethedisease

.string. wrote: »

Don't worry Shakey , Corbyn is only going to appeal to those lefty types daft enough to believe starry-eyed economic policies justified by half truths and a visceral hatred of the Tories.

Oh -- wait a minute, that's a large part of the SNP's core support.

Go, Corbyn, go!

See above. Corbyn's lefties are starting to get used to disappointment.

Shakethedisease

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

I imagine the Tories of the early 90's said much the same thing when the first 'Tory Sleaze' reports started emerging.

What's that expression you're so fond of using?

Tick... Tock... Tick... Tock.....

I've never used the words Tick tock.

I guess we'll have to see the outcome. It has been 4 or 5 years now.. And at least there were no pigs or non doms involved. If we're talking sleaze. I think there's a party leader that's a bit more 'newsworthy' in that dept recently don't you ?

Aberdeenangarse

Shakethedisease wrote: »

I've never used the words Tick tock.

It's rhyming slang for Nicola

kabayiri

The Labour party changes are a good indicator of how fortunes can change for a party relatively quickly.

Shouldn't the SNP push for another indy ref before 2020? A lot of things could be different by then. There may be other more pressing issues demanding attention.

What's the phrase? Strike while the iron is hot.

elantan

Shakethedisease wrote: »

....Oh and Corbyn needs to stop listening to the likes of Neil Findlay and others for forming Labour policy in Scotland. He made a total arris of himself on Cal Mac and Scotrail on Marr and Sunday politics this morning by showing how very little he knows.

Time for a rethink Mr Corbyn. Trying to sell the same old misinformed SNP BAD stories as before isn't going to cut it with winning those Scottish voters back.


Whoops ..

He really did didn't he ? Have to admit I slated a couple of SNPERS that were giving it all ohhh Corbyn is brilliant just before he was elected ... asked them if they felt embarrassed ... not to worry he won't last long I'm sure

elantan

skintmacflint wrote: »

I'm genuinely surprised you reverted to the that old chestnut of Tories = Evil and Bad . I'm sure I recall you agreeing on another thread that it was long time overdue that this simplistic soundbite was stopped in Scotland.

If our welfare and NHS budgets had been as unmanageable in Thatchers day as they are now, you can be sure she'd have tackled them head on. As she did the unions. And if the unions had been prepared to work with Wilson and Castle when she issued her paper In Place of Strife, some of her heavy handed changes might not have been necessary. Society just doesn't seem to be able to achieve balance .

Both Salmond and Sturgeon knew the 'disadvantaged' and 'vulnerable' they pretend to protect , would have been the first and largest groups to pay a heavy price for their Independence. Makes it pretty hypocritical not to mention farcical , for SNP plus a large section of their new supporters to complain non stop about some cuts coming to tax credits etc. As for it being worth it, to have full control of our own destiny, or sovereignty , think events in the EU have shown that not to be the quite how it works out when a new small member state.

As it is, the welfare changes Cameron is making , seem to represent more nudge behaviour modification policies for future generations than real austerity. Yes some people will be affected but it should be short term pain for long term gain as wages increase etc, and we stop throwing away multi billions on debt interest every year.

We've more than enough wind farms plastered throughout Scotland, with more still to be installed in the pipeline , unaffected by grant subsidy removal. And as usual a minority , who have profited hugely at the expense of the majority. Longannet was planned for closure by SNP as far as I knew. Is Peterhead not the only location left in the running for a billion pound contract with UK funding for onshore carbon capture and storage with possibility of 600 new jobs in construction alone?

Not Tories no ... Maggie Thatcher and David Cameron ... there is a difference ... I do agree with some of the Tories policies BTW ..

Mistermeaner

Staying in the snp theme of the thread I'm looking forward to seeing them deploy their devolved taxation powers to turn scotland into the promised economic powerhouse / fairer society.

ruggedtoast

Shakethedisease wrote: »

It wasn't misinformation. Corbyn got his facts totally wrong. Someone has been feeding him far too much Snpbad in his Scotland briefings. It made him look a bit of a klutz spouting out info that anyone who follows Scottish politics knows isn't correct. Was certainly news to everyone this morning that the SNP have somehow managed to privatise Scotrail.. since it was the Conservatives in 1993, long before there was even a devolved Scottish parliament.

I am sorry. But I don't think so re Corbyn sorting things out ( and that's a Facebook screenshot that's been retweeted 1000's of times on Twitter today )..But it seems Corbyn and Labour have just cancelled/been stopped/chickened out of having a debate on Trident after the unions 'intervened'. That's got to be a big disappointment for thousands of Corbyn voters. And himself no doubt.

I think normal 'Labour party' service has resumed. Corbyn needs to turn things round quickly if he's not to be seen as a lame duck leader for the next 5 years.

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2015/09/labour-will-not-debate-trident

Even worse, Scottish Labour have already very publically committed to debating it. With no doubt half the country laughing their socks off... Since even if they vote against Trident renewal, ( and their only MP will too ).. it will show once and for all... just how little difference they actually make to UK Labour policy on reserved matters. And even 57 of 59 Scottish MP's in Westminster voting against won't make a difference either.

I think the SNP have had worse days to be honest.

Everyone gets their facts wrong from time to time. Nicola Sturgeon still needs to find another £200bn down the back of the sofa to make Scottish Independence look viable, for example.

Corbyn is offering consensual leadership on Trident. He knows disarmament is controversial, is willing to make a case for it, but also willing to accept the majority view.

Thats exactly the kind of reasonable compromise over a difficult issue that would appeal very much to the (wo) man in the street. It's a good sign that Scottish views would be taken into account in a Labour gov. Its also a refreshing change from the half cocked I know best now u turn later,bullying bluster of the focus group led Mainstream MPs.

Cameron, and Alex Salmond, might take note.

So yes, kaboom, that's another artillery shell right in the middle of Sturgeon's groping to connect with the scot lefts grass roots. If the SNP is now a single issue party agitating for independence to move Trident marginally more southwards in the British Isles, while remaining in NATO, then she is in trouble.

Kazang. That was an SNP policy ammo dump blowing up. Watch them run while in danger of being shot by their own bullets.

Cameron can have some some as well.

Corbyn is coming.

Thrugelmir

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Corbyn is offering consensual leadership on Trident. He knows disarmament is controversial, is willing to make a case for it, but also willing to accept the majority view.

Has no option as Conference decided not to debate the topic. Allowing a free vote amounts to chaos. As the electorate will have no idea as to Labour policy.

Mistermeaner

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Everyone gets their facts wrong from time to time. Nicola Sturgeon still needs to find another £200bn down the back of the sofa to make Scottish Independence look viable, for example.

Corbyn is offering consensual leadership on Trident. He knows disarmament is controversial, is willing to make a case for it, but also willing to accept the majority view.

Thats exactly the kind of reasonable compromise over a difficult issue that would appeal very much to the (wo) man in the street. It's a good sign that Scottish views would be taken into account in a Labour gov. Its also a refreshing change from the half cocked I know best now u turn later,bullying bluster of the focus group led Mainstream MPs.

Cameron, and Alex Salmond, might take note.

So yes, kaboom, that's another artillery shell right in the middle of Sturgeon's groping to connect with the scot lefts grass roots. If the SNP is now a single issue party agitating for independence to move Trident marginally more southwards in the British Isles, while remaining in NATO, then she is in trouble.

Kazang. That was an SNP policy ammo dump blowing up. Watch them run while in danger of being shot by their own bullets.

Cameron can have some some as well.

Corbyn is coming.

Have you been drinking? You seem a little excited. And incoherent.

Your enthusiasm is commendable and I'm sure representative of the newly engaged voters brought out by corbynmania but thankfully such fanaticism will not gain traction with the largely sensible majority.

Santa Claus is coming soon too