Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

Generali

Shakethedisease wrote: »

*snores*

September 2, 2015http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/b8635424-5147-11e5-8642-453585f2cfcd.html#axzz3khSNcG7v

More of the same really, posting speculation as fact.

As for a second referendum? That ship has sailed.

CLAPTON

Shakethedisease wrote: »

It won them 56 seats out of 59 in Scotland a few months ago. Two Holyrood general elections, where they look very likely to win a third term. Whatever they're doing seems to be working quite well for them... Why deviate from a winning formula ?

yes indeed, do the ends justify the means?

are lack of diverse views as good thing?

plenty of precedents for nationalistic socialistic parties finding diverse views unwelcome

Welcome to the new Scotland!

Shakethedisease

.string. wrote: »

Not really, it's the SNP that have been talking about a referendum since before the GE and since e.g. Sturgeon stating that a leave vote in the EU Referendum would be grounds for one in Scotland. It's merely a continuation of transparent attempts to fabricate a good enough winge.

Yes, it's working too. 55% for independence 45% against ( undecided's excluded ) last poll yesterday.

In four years before the indyref, just three full-sample polls found a Yes lead (1%, 1% and 2%): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_Scottish_independence_referendum,_2014 …
8 retweets 6 favourites

In one year since the indyref, SIX polls have put Yes ahead: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_independence#Post-referendum_polling …
41 retweets 30 favourites

There's a bit of a 'trend' there. And it seems to be accelerating somewhat.

Shakethedisease

Generali wrote: »

More of the same really, posting speculation as fact.

Well that's odd. Because I could've sworn a few pages back you posted an article from the FT re the SNP and were all over it like a rash as absolute 150% no joshing proof that the SNP were doing a bit crap in government. But when it's the Conservatives suddenly it's 'speculation' ? Make your mind up. Because you're making me laugh, and feel a bit sorry for all the flailing about you're doing trying to make your own facts fit the stories.

As for a second referendum? That ship has sailed.

However, there's a queue forming for the next one...

wotsthat

Shakethedisease wrote: »

However, there's a queue forming for the next one...

I thought Nicola was going to take it slow and steady? Well at least until there was a favourable poll, the oil price recovered to $100 or the wind changed.

.string.

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Shakethedisease wrote:

The SNP at the moment are wrestling with what they'll say about mandating for one in their conference in October

._string. wrote:

Not really, it's the SNP that have been talking about a referendum since before the GE and since e.g. Sturgeon stating that a leave vote in the EU Referendum would be grounds for one in Scotland. It's merely a continuation of transparent attempts to fabricate a good enough winge.

Shakethedisease wrote:

Yes, it's working too. 55% for independence 45% against ( undecided's excluded ) last poll yesterday.

Well there's a classic Shakey post, ignore the point made and respond instead to any criticism of the SNP, specifically deception, by boasting about how many people have been fooled. Another bit of ignoring the means in favour of any sort of result.

kabayiri

Meanwhile, elsewhere in devolution land ...

Warrington plans for additional devolution powers :

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-34068223

The push for more devolved powers is only going to increase. This might be a good thing or not, it will come down to implementation.

Could such an initiative reduce the clamour for full blown independence?

Generali

kabayiri wrote: »

Meanwhile, elsewhere in devolution land ...

Warrington plans for additional devolution powers :

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-34068223

The push for more devolved powers is only going to increase. This might be a good thing or not, it will come down to implementation.

Could such an initiative reduce the clamour for full blown independence?

Warrington is in Scotland. You know people are only joking when they say they wish they could vote SNP right?

Tromking

Shakethedisease wrote: »

There's a bit of a 'trend' there. And it seems to be accelerating somewhat.

....yes, right up until the average Scot's pen hovers over the ballot paper in the next indyref!😀

kabayiri

Tromking wrote: »

....yes, right up until the average Scot's pen hovers over the ballot paper in the next indyref!😀

I nearly got run over by one of those 'trends' coming my way the other day.

I barely had a couple of weeks to get out of the way.

You are right. The focus will move to mainland Europe over the next few years. Scotland Indy ref #2 will fall down the news agenda. We have bigger problems needing attention.