Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

Thrugelmir

Shakethedisease wrote: »

The SNP have been banging the anti-austerity message since last October. Is not hard to imagine that they'll continue doing so. Not the slightest suggestion of bad news will be deflected off the SNP and Scotland's financial status.

Given that public spending is what has boosted growth over the past 3 years. Then the drum banging is hardly surprising.

As for oil revenues all been very quiet. Wonder why?

In its oil and gas bulletin published in May 2014, the Scottish government estimated that oil revenues would be between £15.8bn and £38.7bn between 2014/15 and 2018/19.
It latest bulletin, published in June this year, said revenues could be as low as £2.4bn for 2016/17 to 2019/20, with it highest estimate at £10.8bn, based on a best-case scenario of the oil price returning to 100 US dollars per barrel.

Shakethedisease

baldelectrician wrote: »

There is no appetite for another referendum amongst most of us Yes supporters.
Time is on our side- 70% of people over 70 voted NO, whilst over 60% of those under 25 voted YES.
There will be a swing to YES in time- for example;

The fact is that more new YES voters are replacing the NO ones.

In our home there are 6 of us and in 4 years 5 of these 6 will be able to vote (4 currently are)
There aren't any who are of the NO persuasion in our house.

We need to be patient- once people realise the VOW will never deliver anything close to federalism and the tories will turn the screw whilst Labour inplode peoples minds will harden from Yes to HELL Yes

I agree completely. There won't be another referendum until it's one that is sure to be won. I cringe seeing calls for one to be 'held asap'. Patience, time and Westminster ( ie the Tories and the implosion of Labour ) will do the rest. Will be a wee while to wait yet.

Shakethedisease

princeofpounds wrote: »

Is this any different to the phenomenon where the older people get, the more right wing they tend to be?


After the choice changes from being spending other people's income on social causes to spending your own income, plus gaining a little bit of experience about how the world really works...


In the case of nationalism, those YES voters might switch to NO when they grow up enough to see through the romanticism of the SNP and they also accumulate careers and assets they might like to protect the value of, rather than see them evaporate in a Scottish pound.


Just being provocative, but it's an important point; it might be quite arrogant to assume a particular destiny based on such statistics.

I think it's probably the opposite way round to be honest. A LOT of over 55's in Scotland are real 'old style' tribal Labour voters and have been all their lives. They do not like the SNP ( many still refer to them as 'Tartan Tories'. re 1979 ). No voters were made up of a lot of those and Labour fought the referendum up here very much on a party political basis. The vast majority of the people I describe above were no doubt thinking that Labour would be returned to power in May 2015.

That didn't happen... et voila

10 Aug 2015 | Scotland

In the campaign for last year’s referendum, there was strong opposition to independence among older voters – strong enough to counter the Yes majority in the younger age groups. But 47% of the over-55s are now prepared to vote for the SNP to run the devolved government (42% in the regional list vote).

Three quarters (73%) of 16-34s say they are planning to vote for the SNP.

http://www.tns-bmrb.co.uk/news/snp-holds-poll-lead-in-spite-of-mixed-views-on-record-in-government

Corbyn's probably the last hope to regain some of those older voters back to Labour. In Scotland, Tories are very much a minority party. It's not the same 'right and left' as it is in England. The prospect of endless Tory governments for the next decade or so is far more likely to sway a lot of them towards a Yes than a No. Imo, of course.

Time definitely is on the SNP's side.

CLAPTON

Shakethedisease wrote: »

I agree completely. There won't be another referendum until it's one that is sure to be won. I cringe seeing calls for one to be 'held asap'. Patience, time and Westminster ( ie the Tories and the implosion of Labour ) will do the rest. Will be a wee while to wait yet.

a high risk strategy

the longer you wait, the greater possibility of 'events' occurring.

Shakethedisease

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Given that public spending is what has boosted growth over the past 3 years. Then the drum banging is hardly surprising.

As for oil revenues all been very quiet. Wonder why?

That wasn't very quiet. That was all over the media/BBC/Newspapers when it was released in June ?

https://www.google.com/search?q=oil+and+gas+bulletin+scotland+snp&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

I think mabye the oil price argument is well and truly beginning to pall with Scots readers. It's yet to make any significant dent in SNP support and must be well past saturation levels by now. Also during the Yes campaign.. even though the ref was lost. Support only rose. Mabye time to give that old chestnut a rest for a bit. Even when prices were high Scotland wouldn't have been able to cope apparently. So no difference there.

Shakethedisease

CLAPTON wrote: »

a high risk strategy

the longer you wait, the greater possibility of 'events' occurring.

Yes, but much better to risk waiting a bit than just have another ref in order to lose it. Nicola Sturgeon is by far more cautious than Salmond ever was.

wotsthat

You know you're getting older when policemen get younger and a generation only lasts about 6 years.

CLAPTON

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Yes, but much better to risk waiting a bit than just have another ref in order to lose it. Nicola Sturgeon is by far more cautious than Salmond ever was.

only time will tell

anyway nicola could try the Corbyn solution:
offer SNP membership and voting rights to the English... job done

kabayiri

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Yes, but much better to risk waiting a bit than just have another ref in order to lose it. Nicola Sturgeon is by far more cautious than Salmond ever was.

Never mind.

You can get some genuine Indy Pendants here in the meantime :

http://runmollyrun.com/pendant-indy.html

Chadsman

I contacted the SNP about this but they never replied- maybe someone here can.

Why does the SNP want a currency union betwee iScotland and rUK rather than an informal sterlingisation arrangement? Would a currency union not mean monetary policy of iScotland would need to be agreed by rUK?
If iScotland is expecting rUK to moderate its own monetary policy according to their needs what is it offering in return?