Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

Shakethedisease

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Parliament ??

You'll get used to political tricks. Friday is also often a bad news day.

You said 'people'.

Newsquest’s Sunday Herald has reported a 15% sales rise in the first half of the year, boosted by its support for the Scottish National party at the general election.
The Sunday Herald reported the highest percentage year-on-year increase in sales among all weekly regional newspapers in the first six months, according to the latest Audit Bureau of Circulations figures published on Wednesday.
Its sales in the second half of 2014 were also boosted by its support for a Yes vote in the Scottish independence referendum.


Sales of its daily sister paper The Herald fell by 8.9% year on year, while its stablemate the Evening Times fell by 10.3%....

...Johnston Press’s combined traffic of daily unique browsers rose by 21% year on year to 972,454. However, there were some anomalies such as Scotsman.com, which was down by 33.5%.

http://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/aug/26/sunday-herald-sales-snp-general-election

The Scotsman, the Herald and the Evening Time's falls ( even online, not just paper ) aren't anomalies. It's just that we're all sick of hearing how crap the SNP are from every Scottish newspaper/media outlet except two of them. Solid 'SNP BAD' for the last few years. When what we really want to know, is what the other parties would do differently.. for a change ?

The Scotsman and The Herald make a huge fuss if an SNP MP/MSP so much as breathes or looks at someone the wrong way on their front pages. Political 'tricks' aren't something the SNP get to play very much in Scotland. Their falling sales reflect our complete boredom. And The Scotsman's online 'comment sections' have turned into an echo chamber of Salmond hating, reliving the referendum over and over, ... and not much else. Sad really.

Thrugelmir

Shakethedisease wrote: »

You said 'people'.

There's far more to the political circus than MP's alone.

Shakethedisease

Thrugelmir wrote: »

There's far more to the political circus than MP's alone.

Let me put it this way then. It's more difficult for the SNP, than any other political party in the country.. to 'bury bad news'. Even little spats, about Nick ( book to punt ) Robinson's referendum coverage and Salmond's response... have garnered pages worth of newspaper columns over the last few days ( see Guardian, they had three, one from Nick, one about the article Nick wrote AND an editorial ). All of them anti-Salmond, and no reply sought.

SNP widescale fraud ? OMG can you imagine ! It was bad enough over a third hand iffy sounding 'memo' in the Telegraph.

Corbyn's getting the same treatment over a throwaway comment on 'women only rail carriages'. The entire media is down on it like a ton of bricks.

wotsthat

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Let me put it this way then. It's more difficult for the SNP, than any other political party in the country.. to 'bury bad news'. Even little spats, about Nick ( book to punt ) Robinson's referendum coverage and Salmond's response... have garnered pages worth of newspaper columns over the last few days ( see Guardian, they had three, one from Nick, one about the article Nick wrote AND an editorial ). All of them anti-Salmond, and no reply sought.

There is no bad news. Only good news and lies.

Thrugelmir

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Let me put it this way then. It's more difficult for the SNP, than any other political party in the country.. to 'bury bad news'.

Self importance counts for little. Without the SNP spin doctors there would very little media coverage. As there's not much that warrants National coverage. My guess is all that we will hear come the Autumn will be an anti austerity message. As the news has to be deflected away from Scotlands current inability to finance itself. Deflecting the blame to buy time will be critical.

Shakethedisease

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Self importance counts for little. Without the SNP spin doctors there would very little media coverage. As there's not much that warrants National coverage. My guess is all that we will hear come the Autumn will be an anti austerity message. As the news has to be deflected away from Scotlands current inability to finance itself. Deflecting the blame to buy time will be critical.

I'm not quite sure what you're on about re 'self importance'. As far as I knew we were still specifically discussing the article Hamish put up a few pages back about 'SNP fraud'. I was pointing out if there had been a 'big story' there, it would've been all over the media by now. Front page splashes wall to wall.

SNP spin doctors make very little difference to anything. Since the SNP don't get positive coverage anywhere apart from The Sunday Herald ( sales up ) and The National ( just added a new Saturday edition ).

The SNP have been banging the anti-austerity message since last October. Is not hard to imagine that they'll continue doing so. Not the slightest suggestion of bad news will be deflected off the SNP and Scotland's financial status. It never has been. GERS will once again be headline news when it comes around again. And we can all add another 1000 'blow to SNP' headlines to the infinite collection.

Buying time for what ? If there's another referendum it won't be for a few years yet ( 2020/21) most probably. Just long enough for the realities of another 5+ years of the Tories to sink in and that the UK Labour party ( after deposing Corbyn ) will never return to the left. *And even if they don't and Corbyn remains leader.. that the UK will never vote someone like him in anyway.

* I hope am wrong on this and anything can happen in the next five years. However, the one thing the SNP have plenty of on their side. Is time.

CLAPTON

Shakethedisease wrote: »

The SNP have been banging the anti-austerity message since last October. Is not hard to imagine that they'll continue doing so. Not the slightest suggestion of bad news will be deflected off the SNP and Scotland's financial status. It never has been. GERS will once again be headline news when it comes around again. And we can all add another 1000 'blow to SNP' headlines to the infinite collection.

you mean more borrowing without any defined end?
(but you know you will never have to pay it back after scotland defaults on their share)

baldelectrician

Shakethedisease wrote: »

If there's another referendum it won't be for a few years yet ( 2020/21) most probably. Just long enough for the realities of another 5+ years of the Tories to sink in and that the UK Labour party ( after deposing Corbyn ) will never return to the left. *And even if they don't and Corbyn remains leader.. that the UK will never vote someone like him in anyway.

* I hope am wrong on this and anything can happen in the next five years. However, the one thing the SNP have plenty of on their side. Is time.

There is no appetite for another referendum amongst most of us Yes supporters.
Time is on our side- 70% of people over 70 voted NO, whilst over 60% of those under 25 voted YES.
There will be a swing to YES in time- for example;

The fact is that more new YES voters are replacing the NO ones.

In our home there are 6 of us and in 4 years 5 of these 6 will be able to vote (4 currently are)
There aren't any who are of the NO persuasion in our house.

We need to be patient- once people realise the VOW will never deliver anything close to federalism and the tories will turn the screw whilst Labour inplode peoples minds will harden from Yes to HELL Yes

CLAPTON

baldelectrician wrote: »

There is no appetite for another referendum amongst most of us Yes supporters.
Time is on our side- 70% of people over 70 voted NO, whilst over 60% of those under 25 voted YES.
There will be a swing to YES in time- for example;

The fact is that more new YES voters are replacing the NO ones.

In our home there are 6 of us and in 4 years 5 of these 6 will be able to vote (4 currently are)
There aren't any who are of the NO persuasion in our house.

We need to be patient- once people realise the VOW will never deliver anything close to federalism and the tories will turn the screw whilst Labour inplode peoples minds will harden from Yes to HELL Yes

apparently, even in scotland, people will individually be 10 years old in 10 years time

princeofpounds

Time is on our side- 70% of people over 70 voted NO, whilst over 60% of those under 25 voted YES.

Is this any different to the phenomenon where the older people get, the more right wing they tend to be?


After the choice changes from being spending other people's income on social causes to spending your own income, plus gaining a little bit of experience about how the world really works...


In the case of nationalism, those YES voters might switch to NO when they grow up enough to see through the romanticism of the SNP and they also accumulate careers and assets they might like to protect the value of, rather than see them evaporate in a Scottish pound.


Just being provocative, but it's an important point; it might be quite arrogant to assume a particular destiny based on such statistics.