Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

Generali

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Well now's your chance to admit you made a mistake and learned something new.

Plural.



Bravo on the most ranty spittle flecked post of the day. And one that can safely be ignored by anyone who wants a reasonable online debate based on facts and well argued personal opinion, whatever they may be. Rather than puerile schoolboy name calling. Have a nice day.

No spittle, no ranting. I think the SNP is an extremist party and people, like you for example, that blindly follow the SNP are extremists. That's not name calling but a considered opinion of your viewpoint.

I've asked you before and you've never answered. What has the SNP done that is wrong and bad? An easy question for someone that isn't blindly following a political party like a soccer fan follows their team.

Shakethedisease

Generali wrote: »

No spittle, no ranting. I think the SNP is an extremist party and people, like you for example, that blindly follow the SNP are extremists. That's not name calling but a considered opinion of your viewpoint.

Well for a start you have no proof whatsoever that I'm any sort of 'extremist' other than the fact I post on the Scottish threads here, and I post pro-SNP comment to your anti-SNP comment. Big deal. And it's not really the kind of label one should be throwing about lightly is it ? And you'll notice I confine myself mainly to these threads..

...Unlike yourself, some others and Hamish perhaps ( see list of current topics ). I never feel the need to actually start entire topics giving huge rounds of applause and fawning adoration to individual political parties and their policies. The SNP included. Nor actually, am I 'extreme' enough to care enough to start off topics slagging off individual political parties either. Like this one for example ? There are people on these boards that actually care enough about the SNP to do that. I never have.

If your only proof of my so called 'extremism' are my posts here. Then I suggest there are others far more 'extreme' than myself. Like Hamish and yourself's apparent love of anything Tory related. However, I'd never stoop so low as to resort to petty name calling. It's your views, and other than counter them with my own. I respect your choices as an intelligent gentleman who's views differ from my mine. But when you, or others post information up which I know is either wrong, or not the entire story. Then I don't feel the need to hold back in presenting differing information, or any personal opinion I have to the topic at hand. Why should I ? You don't. If that makes me, and ONLY me the extremist. Then you live in a pretty warped little online world where you apparently can't handle different viewpoints from your own.

Other than that, you're just throwing around an vaguely offensive label hoping it will stick, and I'll rise to it.. Probably because you have nothing further to offer the discussion. I'm not interested in any of that.

I've asked you before and you've never answered. What has the SNP done that is wrong and bad? An easy question for someone that isn't blindly following a political party like a soccer fan follows their team.

Why don't you kick off with a little Tory bashing on some threads first ? *Pigs flying into view* Then I might consider it.

Generali

Oh the Tories have had some terrible policies down the years: the Corn Laws and the Poll Tax spring to mind.

Anyway, you seem to be getting quite agitated so I suggest you leave off for a while. I understand that the UK is having a terrible summer that even the Tories can't sort out so why not take yourself a rest cure.

The weather is quite nice here considering that it's winter. If you visit Sydney I'd be more than happy to buy you a schooner or two.

kabayiri

Generali wrote: »

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The weather is quite nice here considering that it's winter. If you visit Sydney I'd be more than happy to buy you a schooner or two.

I thought you sailed on a schooner?

On a broader note any political party which enjoys a fairly rapid rise in popularity is going to face a challenge delivering on the back of the rise.

It wasn't so long ago that the LibDems were riding high, but expectations turned to disappointment and we all know the result.

The SNP face their own challenges.

Shakethedisease

Generali wrote: »

Oh the Tories have had some terrible policies down the years: the Corn Laws and the Poll Tax spring to mind.

Anyway, you seem to be getting quite agitated so I suggest you leave off for a while. I understand that the UK is having a terrible summer that even the Tories can't sort out so why not take yourself a rest cure.

The weather is quite nice here considering that it's winter. If you visit Sydney I'd be more than happy to buy you a schooner or two.

Not agitated. Just bored with repetitive, predictable, infantile posts, that haven't grasped in the slightest what's been happening in Scotland over the last few years. Very bored. I suppose it's understandable if you're in Oz though. Having to rely on second hand somewhat slanted info.

I'll pass on the schooner. Thanks all the same.

As for SNP policies. Hmmm... I'm not sure, they've never been in a position to impose something UK wide like the Poll Tax. Most policies since they've been in power have been pretty popular Scotland wide. I guess that's why they keep getting voted back in ? They've certainly made some complete blunders through the years with in-fighting and fundamentalists v's gradualists re independence.

In power, they've only had 8 years in a devolved government. For all the scorn, free uni, prescriptions, investing in capital projects etc have all proved to be good moves and extremely popular ( unlike the Poll tax or similar ). Usually coming in on time and on budget. Holding the referendum also proved a good move in hindsight even if it was lost. They do need to 'retire' Steven House though. He's made a right mess of merging all the police forces. But he's police, not SNP.

Why don't you come up with a few ? I'm sure you'd be MUCH better at it that I would. Policies that have actually been implemented, (rather than scare stories on potential policies from the newspapers) would be just fab.

Shakethedisease

kabayiri wrote: »

I thought you sailed on a schooner?

On a broader note any political party which enjoys a fairly rapid rise in popularity is going to face a challenge delivering on the back of the rise.

It wasn't so long ago that the LibDems were riding high, but expectations turned to disappointment and we all know the result.

The SNP face their own challenges.

Yes, ones that Labour would kill for. The Scots have lost faith in Labour. It'll be a very hard slog rebuilding it. Corbyn is the only vague hope of rebuilding support in Scotland at the moment... however, will most likely never win England over. Interesting times ahead.

It's one thing saying the SNP 'face challenges' and over analyse what they are... Is quite another when you hold them up in comparison to the other Scottish parties at the moment. That changes things somewhat.

skintmacflint

Shakethedisease wrote: »

No, Generali and some other posters here ^^^^ get a bit wound up when folks don't apparently agree with their 'version of events'. But that shouldn't ever stop people like me posting it anyway.

Facts can be corrected, viewpoints can't. They can only be changed, if the argument is convincing and unfortunately SNPs and yours isn't.

Particularly when many SNP supporters are concerned there is only one truth and its SNP speak. Some even think only one political party is now needed in Scotland ie SNP.

Oh the middle income families might enjoy their frozen council tax, free uni tuition for their kids, at the expense of the effect of the less well off in education and social services from cash strapped councils.

Still doesn't mean they're going to vote for Independence when it's patently obvious what comes next.

Generali

Shakethedisease wrote: »

As for SNP policies. Hmmm... I'm not sure, they've never been in a position to impose something UK wide like the Poll Tax. Most policies since they've been in power have been pretty popular Scotland wide. I guess that's why they keep getting voted back in ? They've certainly made some complete blunders through the years with in-fighting and fundamentalists v's gradualists re independence.

In power, they've only had 8 years in a devolved government. For all the scorn, free uni, prescriptions, investing in capital projects etc have all proved to be good moves and extremely popular ( unlike the Poll tax or similar ). Usually coming in on time and on budget. Holding the referendum also proved a good move in hindsight even if it was lost. They do need to 'retire' Steven House though. He's made a right mess of merging all the police forces. But he's police, not SNP.

Why don't you come up with a few ? I'm sure you'd be MUCH better at it that I would. Policies that have actually been implemented, (rather than scare stories on potential policies from the newspapers) would be just fab.

So not a single bad thing that the SNP has ever done. All is for the best in this, the best of all possible worlds.:rotfl:

wotsthat

I can just see the look on a job interviewer's face when they ask me if I have any faults and I tell them I don't have any, never did, never will and I'm totally awesome.

Mistermeaner

wotsthat wrote: »

I can just see the look on a job interviewer's face when they ask me if I have any faults and I tell them I don't have any, never did, never will and I'm totally awesome.

Well, in my case it's true