Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

Generali

Shakethedisease wrote: »

And believe me, when the oil does run out, Scotland will get the boot from the UK so fast our eyes will be watering. We'll be shown the door. So I wouldn't worry too much about English taxes.

Are you still hammering on about that rubbish. You know the Union was in place for centuries before North Sea oil was every discovered right? It's not like [STRIKE]the blasted English[/STRIKE] Westminster invaded in 1973 or something.

You really should try to take a break from all this hatred. It's not healthy you know, an obsession with a single event which is never likely to happen in your lifetime. Live a little.

kabayiri

Shakethedisease wrote: »

No. But they'll put the option to call one at any point between 2016 to 2020/1 in their manifesto... and wait for an opportune moment.
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What defines this opportune moment?

Don't the voters deserve to know upfront?

Generali

kabayiri wrote: »

What defines this opportune moment?

Don't the voters deserve to know upfront?

I'd argue that the voters also deserve to understand what changed.

A year ago the referendum was a once in a lifetime event. Now it comes with caveats.

Who should pay for the next referendum? If the SNP paid I wouldn't have a problem at all but if it comes from Scottish taxes then we are having a referendum at the margin that will cost a few deaths or educations to achieve.

Thrugelmir

Shakethedisease wrote: »

And believe me, when the oil does run out, Scotland will get the boot from the UK so fast our eyes will be watering. We'll be shown the door. So I wouldn't worry too much about English taxes.

Sounds as if you need help with your paranoia. Get out more and travel the world a little. May help put matters into a wider perspective. Mind you you are not the only one judging by the comments made in the past week. Stirring up Nationalism may have profound consequences for everyone.

ruggedtoast

elantan wrote: »

Keep telling yerself that while we work away ... And one day will wake up and it will have happened

.............................

No.

Thrugelmir

Generali wrote: »

I'd argue that the voters also deserve to understand what changed.

A year ago the referendum was a once in a lifetime event. Now it comes with caveats.

Perhaps the internal party view is that the opportunity is drifting away and as times passes will fade even further. The focus will be placed on imposed austerity rather than the Scottish Governments inability to transform the economy themselves. No doubt the decline in the oil industry will be placed on the Tories as well. Makes for good sound bites to grab the electorates attention rather than actual fact.

kabayiri

Generali wrote: »

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A year ago the referendum was a once in a lifetime event. Now it comes with caveats.
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Perhaps they were reassuringly vague when specifying the species relating to this 'lifetime'.

I can think of some species which fit this short lifetime brief :-

- May fly

- Dung Beetle

- SNP Politician


Okay, okay....I was joking !


(Dung Beetles live a healthy 3 to 5 years; a decent term in office)

ruggedtoast

I thought I would have a look over at the We are the 45% independence facebook page.

Its like a group trapped in an eternal vortex from September 2014. Going round and round and round forever in bitter denial. It is, to be honest, a lot like the forum HPC.co.uk.

The 45 are trumpeting the latest victories in Freedom for Tooting with news reports of, "hundreds" marching in favour of independence in Glasgow. Also Icelandic football team FC Stjarnan "appear" to back Scottish independence:

Part-time team Stjarnan lost 6-1 on aggregate to Celtic in the Champions League qualifier but appear to have struck up a rapport with Hoops fans, with the club’s Twitter account posting numerous images of Stjarnan and Celtic fans together before the match in Iceland.

And in a tweet, now deleted, the Úrvalsdeild champions tweeted: “Dear BritishMonarchy & @David_Cameron just got to know some great Scottish and most like to be independent. It works in Iceland so way not? [sic]”

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http://www.scotsman.com/news/odd/fc-stjarnan-back-scottish-independence-1-3841889

The forum goblins are in fine form however and insisting that the MSM has stitched them up yet again and that actually millions just marched in Glasgow, and it was actually Real Madrid that wants them to be independent.

On a more serious note, my concern is that these people are actually real. Some sort of odd bitter subset of antagonism that could pose as much of a threat in the longer term as Islamist extremists. What is the UK doing wrong that these people, faced with all the opportunities of the modern world, choose to exist mired in parochial bitterness and grievance?

Thrugelmir

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Its like a group trapped in an eternal vortex from September 2014. Going round and round and round forever in bitter denial. It is, to be honest, a lot like the forum HPC.co.uk.

The 45 are trumpeting the latest victories in Freedom for Tooting with news reports of, "hundreds" marching in favour of independence in Glasgow. Also Icelandic football team FC Stjarnan "appear" to back Scottish independence:

Perhaps the World up qualifier in November 2016 will be a defining moment in the debate.

.string.

@ruggedtoast - when you quoted
“Dear BritishMonarchy & @David_Cameron just got to know some great Scottish and most like to be independent. It works in Iceland so way not? [sic]”

I suspect that "sic" was actually "hic"'.

A bucket of football enthused beer will work wonders.