Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

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Shakethedisease wrote: »

Does it now. I learnt all I know about that from yourself string. You're quite the master at it.

Anyway... *stifles yawn* shall we get back to grown up discussion ? Or are you intent on continuing with the playground stuff.. because if it's the playground stuff I can't really be bothered.

Well the personal attack stuff was expected, unlike an apology which should have followed a reflection of the coarseness of accusing the United Kingdom of wanting to get rid of Scotland because of some shifting of revenue. That's the base behaviour typical of the British is it? That is what you really believe?

I don't make insulting remarks about Scotland: I refer to the SNP in my criticisms which in my opinion is anything but the Scotland of my fellow countrymen.

But if that is where your hate takes you, then wallow in it.

Or else apologise.

Shakethedisease

Generali wrote: »

Are you still hammering on about that rubbish. You know the Union was in place for centuries before North Sea oil was every discovered right? It's not like [STRIKE]the blasted English[/STRIKE] Westminster invaded in 1973 or something.

You really should try to take a break from all this hatred. It's not healthy you know, an obsession with a single event which is never likely to happen in your lifetime. Live a little.

Hatred of what ? I don't hate anything. And I have a perfectly full and interesting life that doesn't involve anything much to do with politics. I just come here to correct folks like you ( and it does wind you up a lot being constantly corrected)... most of whom don't live anywhere near Scotland. And garner ever single bit of info they have from the Telegraph et al, then post it thinking it's a good and balanced reflection of the 'facts'.

Well they aren't. Sorry.

Shakethedisease

kabayiri wrote: »

What defines this opportune moment?

Don't the voters deserve to know upfront?

Did Cameron define one for the EU referendum ? What defined that 'opportune' moment ? ( apart from rising UKIP support scaring him into promising one ).

If the Scots electorate vote for a party that promise to hold one, at an opportune moment.. and the polls start reflecting that over 50% of the Scots electorate would quite like to have one. Then what's your problem with it ?

Trident will probably be a bit of a sticking point, the EU referendum might be too depending on how the votes go per nation. But, and I hardly dare say it, but it IS true.... The prospect of another 5 years of the Tories ( who have never been particularly popular recently in Scotland ) in Westminster circa 2020 will probably be one of the best 'opportune' moments it has to be said. That's just how it is.

We all 'know' what they are. We just don't know if they'll occur as yet. Politics is a funny old game and one can never predict what's going to happen even a few months in advance ( see Corbyn compared to what everyone thought would be happening at the beginning of May re hung parliaments etc ).

Shakethedisease

.string. wrote: »

Well the personal attack stuff was expected, unlike an apology which should have followed a reflection of the coarseness of accusing the United Kingdom of wanting to get rid of Scotland because of some shifting of revenue. That's the base behaviour typical of the British is it? That is what you really believe?

I don't make insulting remarks about Scotland: I refer to the SNP in my criticisms which in my opinion is anything but the Scotland of my fellow countrymen.

But if that is where your hate takes you, then wallow in it.

Or else apologise.

No. You insult half the Scottish electorate every time you post these days I'm afraid. Talking about widespread 'SNP mindsets', cults, whinging and whatever else floats your boat in name calling. I don't mind debating content and valid criticisms. But my state of mind isn't something I feel the need to justify constantly.

The SNP fits my own viewpoints at the present time best politically. That's it. Not everything, but they do, and many ordinary people like me who live and work in Scotland. We just voted in absolute droves for them after all. Hard as that is for people like you to face. We did.

You need to deal with that imo without resorting to broad brush negative stereotyping and sneers of 'cults' and 'acolytes'. Everyone has different reasons for voting the way they do, whoever they vote for. Putting it down to simple madness and some sort of evil 'brainwashing' isn't a particularly good way of explaining it, and even less in debating it.

Lets leave this here.

skintmacflint

Shakethedisease wrote: »

I just come here to correct folks like you ( and it does wind you up a lot being constantly corrected)...
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Is this SNP Borg speak?

Generali

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Hatred of what ? I don't hate anything. And I have a perfectly full and interesting life that doesn't involve anything much to do with politics. I just come here to correct folks like you ( and it does wind you up a lot being constantly corrected).

Actually I like being corrected because:

1 I learn stuff if I actually am wrong
2 It's interesting and a lot of fun watching extremists tie themselves in knots

You generally fall into category 2 but I've even managed to learn things from you.

Unlike you and the rest of the SNP crazies I can accept that I get things wrong. You live in a bizarre netherworld where absolutely everything that happens is good for the SNP.

At some point, the Scottish people are going to realise that the economic policies of the SNP are a dangerous fantasy and the SNP will be history.

Shakethedisease

skintmacflint wrote: »

Is this SNP Borg speak?

No, Generali and some other posters here ^^^^ get a bit wound up when folks don't apparently agree with their 'version of events'. But that shouldn't ever stop people like me posting it anyway.

Shakethedisease

Generali wrote: »

Actually I like being corrected because:

1 I learn stuff if I actually am wrong
2 It's interesting and a lot of fun watching extremists tie themselves in knots

'Extremists'

You generally fall into category 2 but I've even managed to learn things from you.

Unlike you and the rest of the SNP crazies I can accept that I get things wrong. You live in a bizarre netherworld where absolutely everything that happens is good for the SNP.

'SNP Crazies'

At some point, the Scottish people are going to realise that the economic policies of the SNP are a dangerous fantasy and the SNP will be history.

Your points would be far, far better served perhaps looking into exactly WHY the Scottish electorate have turned to the SNP... rather than continuing on voting Labour. You may find some answers there. Rather than relying on giggling behind hands schoolboy insults of a large section of the Scottish voting public , oh, and mere wishful thinking.

I've yet to see a post on threads like these where you admit you've been wrong or mistaken to be honest. And we're going back a few years in this vein now. Even when it's 100% in your face wrong with undisputable proof of it. You just ignore it.

Now this thread is getting personal. Lets get back to the topic shall we.

Re 'Opportune moments' Alex Massie wrote a good piece vis a vis Labour/SNP and independence which put things across better that I did earlier.

Jeremy Corbyn is a disaster for Labour and a gift to the SNP.

The former First Minister knows that if Gordon Brown and Ed Miliband could not win in England, Jeremy Corbyn — who is several leagues to the left of both of his immediate predecessors — certainly cannot.If Labour is not in power at Westminster it follows that the Conservatives are....

...Where, however, Labour once led Scottish opposition that role will henceforth be taken by the SNP who will, as Labour did before them, present themselves as the guardians of Scotland and, indeed, as the will of the Scottish people made flesh. In fact, with 56 of 59 Scottish seats and the support of 50 percent of voters the SNP have a greater claim to being the authentic “voice of Scotland” than Labour ever did. ..

The SNP, it should be remembered, was happy to make any number of compromises with the electorate on its own long road to office; Labour likewise cannot afford the purity of permanent opposition.

Nor, quite possibly, can the Union.

https://medium.com/@alexmassie/jeremy-corbyn-is-a-disaster-for-labour-and-a-gift-to-the-snp-a2857a0850df

Generali

Shakethedisease wrote: »

No, Generali and some other posters here ^^^^ get a bit wound up when folks don't apparently don't agree with their version of events. But that shouldn't ever stop people like me posting it anyway.

So it was me that was wound up but now it's other people.

How are the knots going?

The SNP is an extremist party followed by ordinary people and also extremists. Extremists like you that can't see anything that the SNP does as wrong and extremists like you that can't see any political outcome as being other than positive for the SNP.

Seriously mate, take a step back and think about your views about people that disagree with you. Your focus on a single issue really isn't healthy and your reaction to them is pretty bad.

Shakethedisease

Generali wrote: »

So it was me that was wound up but now it's other people.

How are the knots going?

Well now's your chance to admit you made a mistake and learned something new.

I just come here to correct folks like you ( and it does wind you up a lot being constantly corrected)... most of whom don't live anywhere near Scotland.

Plural.

The SNP is an extremist party followed by ordinary people and also extremists. Extremists like you that can't see anything that the SNP does as wrong and extremists like you that can't see any political outcome as being other than positive for the SNP.

Bravo on the most ranty spittle flecked post of the day. And one that can safely be ignored by anyone who wants a reasonable online debate based on facts and well argued personal opinion, whatever they may be. Rather than puerile schoolboy name calling. Have a nice day.