Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

wotsthat

Shakethedisease wrote: »

In an interview you always turn a negative into a positive. Surely you don't do interviews and when they ask for your faults.. and you come out with 'Oh yeah.. am total crap, and I have bad B.O as well'....

You say 'faults ?.. Well, I have a tendency to work too hard, and sometimes, I get too caught up with targets and meeting them'..

I can't believe we've got to the point someone is actually comparing the SNP to 'going for a job interview' in order to desperately troll for something, anything to sneer at. Lol..

It's an analogy.

If you are unable to articulate a single SNP policy or practice that you've even slightly disagreed with then you're a fanatic. If every bad thing is the fault of 'Westminster' but every good thing is because of the SNP then you're a fanatic. If every single news item you read is interpreted as taking Scotland a step closer to independence then you're a fanatic.

Because you're a fanatic you didn't realise being asked whether the SNP have any faults was a test. A fanatic who had managed to retain even the slightest sliver of self-awareness would've used your interview tip and turned any negatives into positives.

You didn't so I conclude you're a fanatic without any sense of self awareness.

Shakethedisease

skintmacflint wrote: »

Tsk Tsk, no need to get all stroppy and throw your toys out the pram. maybe time you let some other SNP defender take over on the forum.

No need for me , or anyone else to look into the reasons why 50 % of the electorate voted SNP . Im very well aware of them, and they've been mentioned and listed numerous times on this forum by several people including myself. Still doesnt make them credible or good reasons , just populist reasons.

I'm more interested in knowing what turned you as someone who said they weren't very interested or involved in politics, and naively believed everything they read in the MSM , from a fluffy Lib Dem voter , into a Nat. Because like it or not , it is what you have evolved into.

Now I have friends who voted for Independence, and have known a long time SNP councillor for several years. We have our different opinions on thingsgranted, but I wouldn't say they were deluded or ever have been. Even the Councillor (has commented in private )sometimes feels like marching outside Holyrood to protest at their handling of our Education and Social Services . But sadly from your posts , as this thread has developed , it seems you are one of the deluded IMO. See the difference? If not perhaps you should reflect on that for a while.

This thread isn't about me. And I don't think I need lectured from a complete stranger on what I need to 'reflect' on. Thanks all the same.

Concentrate on the thread content rather than me. Flattering though it is that you want to know so much more about me. It's hardly appropriate on a thread about Scottish politics.

Shakethedisease

Mistermeaner wrote: »

In politics and life in general it's good practice to try and take credit for the good and distance yourself from the bad regardless of your level of involvement. No-one should be criticised for this as its all part of the game.

The snp are basically Scotland's ukip, riding a wave of biggotted anti englishness drawing out the thick and poor in droves based on uneconomical socialist policies - anyone with half a brain knows scotland will be fooked without the rouk but as the snp know that independence won't happen they can continue exploiting the ignorance and racism of the Scots to continue to pursue their self serving egotistical agenda. IMO

Ok. Whatever your opinion is, is fine with me. Others don't feel the same way as yourself though. Nor agree with much of anything you state above. It's a bit airy fairy, vague and contradictory. Racism is stretching things somewhat as well. Do I strike you as a racist ?

kabayiri

Mistermeaner wrote: »

In politics and life in general it's good practice to try and take credit for the good and distance yourself from the bad regardless of your level of involvement. No-one should be criticised for this as its all part of the game.

The snp are basically Scotland's ukip, riding a wave of biggotted anti englishness drawing out the thick and poor in droves based on uneconomical socialist policies - anyone with half a brain knows scotland will be fooked without the rouk but as the snp know that independence won't happen they can continue exploiting the ignorance and racism of the Scots to continue to pursue their self serving egotistical agenda. IMO

The alternative would be for the voters to admit that they are living beyond their means, and no one likes to admit that.

RoUK voters have finally realised this, and voted for more austerity as a way of fixing things.

Scottish voters who voted for SNP anti-austerity are still in denial. Addicted to state slush....a tragic thing.

Shakethedisease

wotsthat wrote: »

It's an analogy.

If you are unable to articulate a single SNP policy or practice that you've even slightly disagreed with then you're a fanatic. If every bad thing is the fault of 'Westminster' but every good thing is because of the SNP then you're a fanatic. If every single news item you read is interpreted as taking Scotland a step closer to independence then you're a fanatic.

In your opinon of course. I'm not that bothered about Trident, NATO and I'm not particularly 'Green'. But I DO understand that other's are very passionate about those things. Don't you ? There's a vast difference between myself agreeing or disagreeing with this or that, and what voters as a whole/entity agree/disagree with.

Generali cited the poll tax as a bad example of Tory policy. I assumed he meant 'voters as a whole/entity' didn't agree with that policy, and it was unpopular across the board ( It was ). So I replied in the same vein re 'voters in general'. Why would that make me a fanatic ? I was simply citing the obvious. The SNP doesn't seem ( as yet ) to have implemented any particular policy or major change that is unpopular with the Scottish electorate thus far. And I can't really say personally that's there's anything much so far that's really bothered me. I returned to live back in Scotland 7 years ago.

Why don't you name some ? Since you're obviously convinced there must be something...

Because you're a fanatic you didn't realise being asked whether the SNP have any faults was a test. A fanatic who had managed to retain even the slightest sliver of self-awareness would've used your interview tip and turned any negatives into positives.

You didn't so I conclude you're a fanatic without any sense of self awareness.

And now you're just getting into the realms of personal opinion on a complete stranger on t'internet because you've misunderstood the answer. No wonder you don't do well in interviews. 'Test' indeed . On a forum ? What on earth are you on about ? Wasted pixels. Unpopular SNP policies in comparison to the Poll tax ( I think we can safely leave out the Corn Laws ).. for voters as a whole in Scotland. Am struggling to come up with any.

wotsthat

Shakethedisease wrote: »

And I can't really say personally that's there's anything much so far that's really bothered me. I returned to live back in Scotland 7 years ago.

Why don't you name some ? Since you're obviously convinced there must be something...

This sanguine person is very different to the 'other' Shakethedisease that posts here and can't let a single negative comment about the SNP pass without argument.

I can and do articulate concerns about political parties including, shock horror, the one I voted for. I find it amazing you can't.

.string.

Shakethedisease wrote:

... I guess that's why they keep getting voted back in ? They've certainly made some complete blunders through the years with in-fighting and fundamentalists v's gradualists re independence.
...

OK, on policy.

From your insight, is there any correlation with "left" or "right" or some other general political leaning and those fundamentalists & gradualists you speak of? --- or rich or poor?

Mistermeaner

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Ok. Whatever your opinion is, is fine with me. Others don't feel the same way as yourself though. Nor agree with much of anything you state above. It's a bit airy fairy, vague and contradictory. Racism is stretching things somewhat as well. Do I strike you as a racist ?

No I don't think you are racist or thick for that matter.

My statement was airy fairy as I was typing on the toilet so wanted to keep it brief. It's also generalizing so I don't expect it to apply to all snp and snp supporters but as a generalisation of the Scotland situation in one paragraph I stand by it.

Nothing personal to you - I think for your own reasons you want an independent scotland and see the snp as the best way to get there (correct me if I'm wrong)

IMO I don't think that an independent scotland would be best for the majority of Scots, and I think the snp knows this so what we see is silly games being played by the snp to gather support for no reason other than to have power itself (not independence, just power) , to get this support they pander to the thick just like ukip by tapping into intrinsic nationalism and tell people to support them as they will be better off on their own. They buy cheap votes with silly economic policies like bedroom tax refunds and free hospital parking while dithering on the difficult things like ffa , currency , subsidies , shale etc

They play an easy game and I'm surprised someone as sharp as you can't see it - in fact I think you do but just likearguing and after all why not as that's what we're all doing here

Shakethedisease

wotsthat wrote: »

This sanguine person is very different to the 'other' Shakethedisease that posts here and can't let a single negative comment about the SNP pass without argument.

I can and do articulate concerns about political parties including, shock horror, the one I voted for. I find it amazing you can't.

Hate to break it to you, but, um.. this is a debate forum. It says so at the top.

Debate is a method of formally presenting an argument in a disciplined manner.

Articulate away. However, I can't really see anything much that the SNP has done 'big style', or in the way of policies which I'm really angry or bothered about. And I've said so. Do you want me to lie just so you can feel better about what I posted ?

I'm a pretty laid back person as it happens. Who enjoys debate. Like most others who contribute here. I just don't have the same political leanings as many who post. But that's what makes things interesting imo. Be pretty boring otherwise

Shakethedisease

.string. wrote: »

OK, on policy.

From your insight, is there any correlation with "left" or "right" or some other general political leaning and those fundamentalists & gradualists you speak of? --- or rich or poor?

Not really. That was years back. Salmond and Sillars/Gordon Wilson and their respective supportive colleagues. Sillars dead against the SNP having anything to do with devolution plans/independence or nothing sort of thing. Salmond throwing himself in wholeheartedly. Sturgeon is also a gradualist, probably more so as it happens than Salmond ever was. If Sillars was in charge, Scotland would've proclaimed UDI the minute 56 MP's were elected.... A majority of nationalist MP's elected in Scotland used to be the accepted way, even by Margaret Thatcher I think, that Scotland would gain independence.