Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

CLAPTON

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Sturgeon has Cameron in a blue funk. Now she needs to steady her nerve and make the biggest political gamble of her life. Full fiscal autonomy with devo max.

The Tories of course are desperate for the UK's only left wing party not to make waves in case it starts giving the Sun reading serfs in England ideas. So he will beg Sturgeon to continue with Barnett in exchange for more benefit bungs.

She must not waver.

there is absolutely no possibility that she will agree to FFA unless it comes with a guaranteed £8bn subsidy from the English

The presentation will be a little different of course.

.string.

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Sturgeon has Cameron in a blue funk. Now she needs to steady her nerve and make the biggest political gamble of her life. Full fiscal autonomy with devo max.

The Tories of course are desperate for the UK's only left wing party not to make waves in case it starts giving the Sun reading serfs in England ideas. So he will beg Sturgeon to continue with Barnett in exchange for more benefit bungs.

She must not waver.

I can't see how you arrive at that, unless it is simply an opportunity for do a bit of Tory bashing. All that stuff about only left parties and serfs is a bit odd methinks

I think it's a delicately balanced situation since Cameron does not have it within his power to offer and deliver the SNP much more than what is already in the Smith proposals; to do would risk opposition within Parliament including the Tory ranks and failure in the Commons which would cause much more of a problem than the jam today and maybe jam tomorrow approach he is adopting. I would imagine that he is very carefully looking at the SNP wish list to see if there is some small thing he can include but not one of such a magnitude as to cause the Bill to fail.

Surgeon has her dilemmas as well I think. She is of course, all primed up to start slagging of the Tories when she does not get her magic toys, but she has to be careful not to be, or get portrayed as, the person who scuppered the new devolution powers. We can expect some fancy wordsmithing from everyone I think.

She will want to get something to save face and Cameron will want to give little, also to save face.

As I said, a delicate balance.

ruggedtoast

I don't agree with The government's handling of the referendum. Cameron said it was going to be a straight in or out. Then thought his dismal handling of the entire affair meant he might not win, so he did a complete about face and made all sorts of desperate ill thought through promises to the Scottish people about how much he loved them and wanted them to have a symbiotic self determination if they voted No.

Well, they voted no and now it's time to pay the piper. End of.

CLAPTON

ruggedtoast wrote: »

I don't agree with The government's handling of the referendum. Cameron said it was going to be a straight in or out. Then thought his dismal handling of the entire affair meant he might not win, so he did a complete about face and made all sorts of desperate ill thought through promises to the Scottish people about how much he loved them and wanted them to have a symbiotic self determination if they voted No.

Well, they voted no and now it's time to pay the piper. End of.

while agreeing that the handling of the referendum was not well assured ; the 'dismal ' bit at the end was a composite of Ed, Nick and Dave (plus Gordon) and supported by the senior members of all three parties.
Only Dave has shown any back bone about fairness to the English peoples and so should be suitably praised.

If fairness to all the peoples of the UK is a concern, then the only player in the field is Dave.

ruggedtoast

CLAPTON wrote: »

while agreeing that the handling of the referendum was not well assured ; the 'dismal ' bit at the end was a composite of Ed, Nick and Dave (plus Gordon) and supported by the senior members of all three parties.
Only Dave has shown any back bone about fairness to the English peoples and so should be suitably praised.

If fairness to all the peoples of the UK is a concern, then the only player in the field is Dave.

Really? I don't remember him showing any backbone at all. I remember him saying it would be an in out deal he wasn't going to get involved in. I then remember him panicking when he saw the opinion polls the week before and desperately galloping around Scotland with any other politician who would go with him, promising the Scots the moon on a stick, and nearly crying on TV when he was begging them not to vote Yes.

Well, that's Dave, and you voted for Dave. Your PM. He doesn't represent me, so good luck with him achieving whatever it is you expect him to. Personally I think Nicola Sturgeon is going to make mincemeat of him.

Edit, and if you want to blame / credit anyone with the No vote then it's Gordon Brown who managed to articulate a strong voice for the No side at the 11th hour. No one else in the useless No campaign had managed that for the previous two years.

CLAPTON

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Really? I don't remember him showing any backbone at all. I remember him saying it would be an in out deal he wasn't going to get involved in. I then remember him panicking when he saw the opinion polls the week before and desperately galloping around Scotland with any other politician who would go with him, promising the Scots the moon on a stick, and nearly crying on TV when he was begging them not to vote Yes.

Well, that's Dave, and you voted for Dave. Your PM. He doesn't represent me, so good luck with him achieving whatever it is you expect him to. Personally I think Nicola Sturgeon is going to make mincemeat of him.

Edit, and if you want to blame / credit anyone with the No vote then it's Gordon Brown who managed to articulate a strong voice for the No side at the 11th hour. No one else in the useless No campaign had managed that for the previous two years.

you don't remember Ed, Nick and Gordon begging the scots to stay?

and NOW do you feel the Labour party or the LibDems are showing they feel fairness to all the people of the UK is very important?

zagubov

CLAPTON wrote: »

you don't remember Ed, Nick and Gordon begging the scots to stay?

and NOW do you feel the Labour party or the LibDems are showing they feel fairness to all the people of the UK is very important?

They have all passed on and are no more.

The only person left to pick up the blame is Dave. And he is trying to forget his promises as easily as he forgets where he left his kids or how many houses he owns.

CLAPTON

zagubov wrote: »

They have all passed on and are no more.

The only person left to pick up the blame is Dave. And he is trying to forget his promises as easily as he forgets where he left his kids or how many houses he owns.

which promise is he going to forget?
to continue the unfair subsidy by your family to the scots and to continue the unfair voting system?

ruggedtoast

zagubov wrote: »

They have all passed on and are no more.

The only person left to pick up the blame is Dave. And he is trying to forget his promises as easily as he forgets where he left his kids or how many houses he owns.

Slippery Dave will be trying to wiggle out of his verbal promises with more alacrity than a used car salesman looking at a warranty repair on an Austin Allegro.

CLAPTON

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Slippery Dave will be trying to wiggle out of his verbal promises with more alacrity than a used car salesman looking at a warranty repair on an Austin Allegro.

which specific promises were they?
were they refuted or supported by Labour and LinDems?