Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

kabayiri

Generali wrote: »

Actually being in a Government rather than looking on from the outside.

It's obviously true they would have had more influence with a left of centre party; particularly one without a clear majority.

But....that's not what the UK voted for. That's the reality.

Generali

kabayiri wrote: »

It's obviously true they would have had more influence with a left of centre party; particularly one without a clear majority.

But....that's not what the UK voted for. That's the reality.

Yup. The SNP lost. Again.

Enterprise_1701C

chewmylegoff wrote: »

Ok so what you keep the £8.5bn of NI receipts from Scottish employment and then spend it on pensions, unemployment benefit, disability benefit etc. block grant reduced by £8.5bn.

Who pays for the fact that all the benefits that NI is supposed to cover cost more than £8.5bn? The Scottish people through benefit cuts I suppose?

Actually, yes.

Scotland should be given full FFA. Then they would have to pay for everything themselves. It follows that if NI is devolved then that which NI covers should be devolved.

Tromking

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

Scotland should be given full FFA. Then they would have to pay for everything themselves.

Indeed, give the Nationalists all they want (short of independence, there`s no mandate!) and watch Sturgeon and the SNP implode as they either reject it or by accepting it inflict financial penury on the Scottish people.
It feels like an important day in the Holyrood/Westminster conflict.

IveSeenTheLight

tberry6686 wrote: »

As far as the SNP not being in power 30yrs ago, I never said they were. I was inferring that the transport links outwith the central belt have been pretty much ignored throughout that time. Something that is not going to improve with or without the SNP.

Finally getting the AWPR through and in progress would beg to differ that there is not going to be any improvement

IveSeenTheLight

CLAPTON wrote: »

Maybe England could learn from the Scots: how is Scotland making the non central belt area more attractive ?
Are places like fort william, durness inverness etc growing faster than the central belt?

Come back and ask that after FFA is in place.

CLAPTON

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

Come back and ask that after FFA is in place.

so basically Scotland has a very 'central belt' centric system and the SNP has no plans to move its parliament to a position in the 'centre of the country?
I personally agree that that is what is best for Scotland.

IveSeenTheLight

Generali wrote: »

The referendum was in the bag with all that engagement and the electorate getting all fired up. Then No won a very comprehensive victory. Yes go smashed let's face it.

Not really wanting to go back over old ground but: -

We accept that the No prevailed, but it was hardly comprehensive and hardly smashed.

The vote was 55%:45%.

A 5% swing is not unheard of, so not as comprehensive as you are protraying.

Nonetheless, we accept the referendum and wish to move on now.

kabayiri

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

Not really wanting to go back over old ground but: -

We accept that the No prevailed, but it was hardly comprehensive and hardly smashed.

The vote was 55%:45%.

A 5% swing is not unheard of, so not as comprehensive as you are protraying.

Nonetheless, we accept the referendum and wish to move on now.

Once you get parts of FFR implemented do you think the desire for independence will be as strong?

FFR/FFA sounds closer to the DevoMax concept which many on here told me was what they wanted in the first place.

Froggitt

Happy for Scotland, Manchester, London etc all to keep their tax revenues, and spend it locally in the best way possible. Any local adjustments will have to be properly justified.