Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

Shakethedisease

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

So you admit that the reality was "Vote SNP, Get a Tory Government".

No. It was vote SNP, get SNP. The Tories were down to how English voters plumped to vote. Nothing anyone in Scotland could've done about that.

Did you vote for Labour tactically yourself Hamish ? ( out of interest ).

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Shakethedisease wrote: »

They don't want to play a bigger role. They want a much, much smaller one.

I think this thread has just about played itself out.:cool:

It would be nice but it's clear that the SNP are after more and more handouts so the title thread is hanging there.

Meanwhile it will interesting to see Sturgeon's ego trip unfold unravel. But don't worry the Vow will be respected (*)


(*) unless, of course, the SNP go back on their agreement with the Smith Proposals, and damage the Scottish all for the sake of their attempts to hide their own failings.

kabayiri

Shakethedisease wrote: »

They don't want to play a bigger role. They want a much, much smaller one.

I think this thread has just about played itself out.:cool:

You need to look at it logically.

SNP could
- compete in all UK seats
- win a majority because they are so brilliant [you keep telling us about this fresh new politics]
- then they get to steer policy to ensure Scotland breaks away.

Hey, it's a plan

kabayiri

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

So you admit that the reality was "Vote SNP, Get a Tory Government".

Indeed.

In fact, that very outcome was predicted in this here thread.

Who needs polls!!

zagubov

It's as if the UK voted in 500 LibDems when everybody's been voting for bigger parties forever.

Disregard it as you like but people will be discussing this with their grandchildren throughout the coming century. It's never happened before and might never happen again.

CLAPTON

zagubov wrote: »

It's as if the UK voted in 500 LibDems when everybody's been voting for bigger parties forever.

Disregard it as you like but people will be discussing this with their grandchildren throughout the coming century. It's never happened before and might never happen again.

yes and no

there are many single party 'states' and there have been many sudden rises in political parties most of which have been national socialism in nature, which isn't that attractive really

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

kabayiri wrote: »

Indeed.

In fact, that very outcome was predicted in this here thread.

Who needs polls!!

Yep...

Shakey spent absolutely ages denying it too, but the surge in the polls for the SNP pushed many voters in England into voting Tory rather than facing the prospect of a hung parliament with the SNP holding the balance of power and vowing to push Labour too far left.

Scotland now has 5 years of a Conservative majority government.

A situation that would almost certainly have been avoided had the rise of the SNP not spooked England.

The SNP caused the current Tory majority.

And for that I thank them... :beer:

CLAPTON

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Yep...

Shakey spent absolutely ages denying it too, but the surge in the polls for the SNP pushed many voters in England into voting Tory rather than facing the prospect of a hung parliament with the SNP holding the balance of power and vowing to push Labour too far left.

Scotland now has 5 years of a Conservative majority government.

A situation that would almost certainly have been avoided had the rise of the SNP not spooked England.

The SNP caused the current Tory majority.

And for that I thank them... :beer:

obviously so

but it makes independence for Scotland more likely but not certain.

probably, but not certainly, for Nicola to throw away but of course the people of Scotland will decide.

michaels

I think too much store is set on GDP.

If the scots would rather be independent but poorer then that is there decision to make. I just hope that all those in favour of independence realise that and are not being conned by claims that they could be independent and richer.

The UK as a whole will have to make the same sort of decision about EU membership in 2 years: in, richer by a hard to quantify but almost certainly non-negligable amount, or out, poorer but able to take sovereign decisions.

Thrugelmir

michaels wrote: »

The UK as a whole will have to make the same sort of decision about EU membership in 2 years: in, richer by a hard to quantify but almost certainly non-negligable amount, or out, poorer but able to take sovereign decisions.

The EU is net exporter to the UK by some margin. So there's vested interest to compromise.