Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

Shakethedisease

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

You are trying to whitewash the last few years of ugly, distasteful and violent Scottish Nationalism out of history, but that's simply not going to happen....

Here's your SNP brand of 'civic nationalism'.....

From today....



And in recent times....

Play it again Sam... Still trying to bang this drum. SNP are civic nationalist's. Their policies in Scotland and in practice for the last 8 years. When Nicola Sturgeon starts spouting the crap that UKIP does, get back to me. They don't talk for the nutters... anymore than the abusive orangemen and frothing at the mouth Salmond/Sturgeon haters on that #SNPout group you're so fond of speak for the Conservatives. What an awful group of people. There have been a few attacks in the other direction this campaign as well as swastika's on SNP hub doors too.

Thankfully ALL are few and far between.

Shakethedisease

Generali wrote: »

Once again you conflate the SNP and Scotland. Scotland isn't voting SNP. A lot of Scottish people, perhaps even half of Scottish people, are voting SNP. That's not the same thing as Scotland voting SNP, not by a long chalk.

Well see that's the strange thing in this double standard world of yours Generali. Firstly, you don't have the foggiest idea what is going on in Scotland, sitting on your perch in Oz. All you have to go on are your 'Oh Hamish you're sooooo right posts' ( as predicted you were the next post after his ).

And secondly, you have no trouble whatsoever when it suits you in conflating 'English voters' and the Tories ? Because I've lost count the amount of time's I heard you droning on about how 'English voters will not be happy if the SNP... '.

I doubt that Miliband, Cameron and the vast majority of people have any distaste for Scotland. They do however, like me, have no taste for divisive Nationalists and the hatred they bring with them.

Again, then I must point out your double standards. Because you seem to be under the impression that Salmond, Sturgeon and anyone vaguely connected to the SNP wish ill-will on anyone of English descent. And can't be made see otherwise. Which once again, shouldn't come as a surprise since you're being spood fed absolute nonsense from #SNPouter Hamish, and drivel from the Telegraph.

Better up that tactical voting push Hamish..Not long now. And the Tories need a very quick swingback too.

Britain Elects ‏@britainelects 3 mins3 minutes ago Latest Scottish Westminster poll (YouGov): SNP - 49% (-) LAB - 26% (+1) CON - 17% (-2) LDEM - 7% (+2) UKIP - 2% (-1) GRN - 1% (-)

Peter Kellner's new seats projection:
Con 283
Lab 261
SNP 50
LD 32
UKIP 2
Green 1
Lab lose 36 in Scotland and gain 39 elsewhere

Generali

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Well see that's the strange thing in this double standard world of yours Generali. Firstly, you don't have the foggiest idea what is going on in Scotland, sitting on your perch in Oz. All you have to go on are your 'Oh Hamish you're sooooo right posts' ( as predicted you were the next post after his ).

And secondly, you have no trouble whatsoever when it suits you in conflating 'English voters' and the Tories ? Because I've lost count the amount of time's I heard you droning on about how 'English voters will not be happy if the SNP... '.



Again, then I must point out your double standards. Because you seem to be under the impression that Salmond, Sturgeon and anyone vaguely connected to the SNP wish ill-will on anyone of English descent. And can't be made see otherwise. Which once again, shouldn't come as a surprise since you're being spood fed absolute nonsense from #SNPouter Hamish, and drivel from the Telegraph.

Better up that tactical voting push Hamish..Not long now. And the Tories need a very quick swingback too.

Well Mr Connery's words of wisdom have long been accepted from Spain. Perhaps it's a teensy bit racist to say that only Scottish people living abroad can have a view on Scotland. Unfortunately it's all part of the Nationalist territory.

Ah, and I must be an enemy of the Scots because I refuse to accept the views of the SNP.

You are starting to show what you actually think now and it's very revealing.

Shakethedisease

Generali wrote: »

Well Mr Connery's words of wisdom have long been accepted from Spain. Perhaps it's a teensy bit racist to say that only Scottish people living abroad can have a view on Scotland. Unfortunately it's all part of the Nationalist territory.

Ah, and I must be an enemy of the Scots because I refuse to accept the views of the SNP.

You are starting to show what you actually think now and it's very revealing.

No-one is saying you're an 'enemy of the Scots' ( would you like to take a bow after that dramatic performance ? ) or have to accept anyone's views. However, it would be nice if your own views at least made an attempt to coincide with reality now and again.

No offence, but there's a lot of things you just 'lift' from other posts etc. And you've still to work out the difference between a government that's been in devolved power for 8 years, day to day governing 5 million people.. and the now defunct BNP. Is hardly inspiring is it ?

Shakethedisease

Yep, and Ed Miliband and Jim Murphy walked right into it..

Tim Shipman ‏@ShippersUnbound 1h1 hour ago Senior Tories tell Sunday Times Cameron will declare victory on Friday if he has most votes and seats.

Tim Shipman ‏@ShippersUnbound 33m33 minutes ago @OwenJones84 @geoffingarfield Tories wouldn't be hammering SNP on legitimacy if a large number of voters didn't agree

Owen Jones ‏@OwenJones84 32m32 minutes ago @SR_Ingham @ShippersUnbound David Cameron would lose the vote. The right wing media would deem the new government illegitimate. Trust me

Owen Jones ‏@OwenJones84 31m31 minutes ago @chuzzlit @ShippersUnbound The right-wing media have already made it clear SNP MPs have no legitimate role in a new Westminster government

Jim Murphy's constant cries of 'the biggest party forms the government' and Ed Miliband insisting he won't do a deal with the SNP. What a pair of... Played like a couple of duff fiddles. The Tories are calling their bluff on the SNP/Scotland. Now they'll either have to do a disasterous u-turn that makes them look like lying idiots to the voters ( not that that's news to many up here).. or else concede the SNP shouldn't be a legitmate part of UK govt ( hence Scotland ).

Mabye that No vote last Sept, and the union didn't mean so much to the Tories after all, eh Hamish.. Fiscal oblivion it seems, may be on the cards quite soon then if Labour don't take more seats than the Tories in England on Thursday.

I think Owen Jones needs a lie down...

chewmylegoff

Labour have confirmed there will be no deal of any sort with the SNP and the Lib Dems have also said they wouldn't be involved in a govt including the SNP. This leaves the SNP on the sidelines rather like a bigger and more delusional version of UKIP.

Generali

Shakethedisease wrote: »

No-one is saying you're an 'enemy of the Scots' ( would you like to take a bow after that dramatic performance ? ) or have to accept anyone's views. However, it would be nice if your own views at least made an attempt to coincide with reality now and again.

No offence, but there's a lot of things you just 'lift' from other posts etc. And you've still to work out the difference between a government that's been in devolved power for 8 years, day to day governing 5 million people.. and the now defunct BNP. Is hardly inspiring is it ?

It is pretty racist to suggest that an English person can't have a view on Scotland if they live abroad when Sean Connery has been one of the SNP's biggest supporters for decades. That, of course, is what we expect from divisive hate-fueled Nationalist parties. It is what they do.

As for the rest, you're just casting around for a stick to beat me with.

The fact is that the party that 2-4% of the voters of Britain won't be running the next Government. As the realisation slowly hits that this likely victory in Scotland is going to be fruitless at best and Pyrrhic at worst SNP supporters are becoming increasingly shrill.

I worry as to where this hate is going to end. Nationalists have form (vandalising Unionist party offices, mobs chasing Unionist politicians) even now and I fear things will get increasingly worse.

Generali

chewmylegoff wrote: »

Labour have confirmed there will be no deal of any sort with the SNP and the Lib Dems have also said they wouldn't be involved in a govt including the SNP. This leaves the SNP on the sidelines rather like a bigger and more delusional version of UKIP.

If neither Lab nor Cons can form a Government I wonder if HMQ will invite Sturgeon in, just for 5h1ts and giggles.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Mabye that No vote last Sept, and the union didn't mean so much to the Tories after all, eh Hamish..

Anything that keeps the SNP to a one term wonder is worth it.

How are Scots going to feel when they realise a vote for SNP is a wasted vote despite Nippy Sweety's promises to the contrary? (hint: Indy isn't the answer)

As WM and the Scottish Exec will have 5 years to instigate a thorough, complete and comprehensive spending review as further fiscal powers are transferred to Scotland.

So there will be plenty of time to demonstrate that the annual subsidy of billions is beyond a doubt factual and incontestable.

All your thousands of posts, thinking the SNP had the upper hand, hopefully you won't get too upset when you realise your lot have been given just enough rope to hang themselves with....

The 'Helicopter of Hubris' is starting to look a bit ridiculous now....

Shakethedisease

Generali wrote: »

It is pretty racist to suggest that an English person can't have a view on Scotland if they live abroad when Sean Connery has been one of the SNP's biggest supporters for decades. That, of course, is what we expect from divisive hate-fueled Nationalist parties. It is what they do.

As for the rest, you're just casting around for a stick to beat me with.

The fact is that the party that 2-4% of the voters of Britain won't be running the next Government. As the realisation slowly hits that this likely victory in Scotland is going to be fruitless at best and Pyrrhic at worst SNP supporters are becoming increasingly shrill.

I worry as to where this hate is going to end. Nationalists have form (vandalising Unionist party offices, mobs chasing Unionist politicians) even now and I fear things will get increasingly worse.

But I didn't say that. I said you are entitled to your views. But that they should coincide with reality now and again. I don't need a stick to beat you with.

You're suckered in by Hamish's ( and a few other's) bias and extremely selective posts hook, line and sinker. I have no idea where all this 'hatred' you think is coming from otherwise ? Do you think folks like myself, Leanne and elantan are 'covering it all up' or something like that ? We all accept there are nutjobs on both sides. But equally, that they are not representative of the vast majority.

Yes and No voters in the main just got on with things after the referendum. I certainly didn't go about disowning and spewing hatred over any No voters I know. I live, work, socialise and am related to lots of them. Everyone I know, the same. Any arrests that were made during the referendum were apart from the egg thrower ( or should that be Jim Murphy's 'Platoon' moment ).. from the unionist side.

The Scottish Police Force issued a warning.... against the Herald and other newspapers who were ramping up unfounded headline's like 'riots at polling stations'. Then stated in BIG BOLD LETTERS that the police force had been impressed by the civility of the referendum run up and that they felt the media was causing undue worry to those casting their votes. The referendum was completely civilised apart from a few nutters on both sides. As was the election of the SNP in 2007 and in 2011. This campaign is exactly the same.

That you 'choose' to believe otherwise is fine. But is misguided and misinformed. In fact the only person you'll ever see here posting about 'hate' and 'anything but the SNP' is Hamish. The rest of us concentrate on the real issues, elections, FFA etc and are happy to do so and even get heated debating them. But posts like your's insist on bringing up imagined widespread hate and division. And an ethnic nationalism that the SNP doesn't subscribe to, nor support and that I don't see. I don't recognise it living here. And since I've only been pro-SNP for a relatively short time. And they've been running Scotland for 8 years. Don't you think most of us would have seen by now ? So I am happy and will keep correcting you on it. Because you know no better obviously. You don't live here day to day. Is either that or you are calling me out as out and out stupid and racist/anti-english myself... ( which might come as a bit of a surprise to my English SNP member husband, and english born children ).

Scotland and it's electorate is just fine. However anyone votes on Thursday. There will be no violence or torch wielding barbarians running rampage through the streets. At least, not on the SNP side ( I can't talk for those that ran riot in George Square after the ref result holding union flags aloft ).

As for the 'shrill' thing. No. I expect most SNP voters are like myself. Looking forward hoping like mad there will be a few 'Portillo' elantan-esque popcorn moments. That's what most of us will be staying up for. Who gets in at Westminster, Labour or Tory ?.. meeeh. Is probably win-win either way for the SNP as most political commentators accept. Even better if they're not welcome there at all ! All good. That's what the referendum was about after all. Not the result Yes voters wanted of course. But now...

It's the Tories that will very happily disregard the 55% of No voters like Hamish though. And you can take that one to the bank.

ps 'realisation slowly hits'... no, it's more like a Labour car crash slowly hits. Been warning for months that Jim Murpy's 'biggest party' line would bite Scottish Labour in the bum. Along with just about anyone else that follows Scottish politics and knows how govts are formed. That Ed Miliband fell for the 'SNP not legitimate line' too... I did say he was making a big mistake. Stitched up good style.

If Labour won't work with the SNP or Plaid..then of course the SNP are not legitimate at Westminster. That he said it so 'sincerely' on Question Time on National tv.. How the Tories must've laughed.