Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

Shakethedisease

Generali wrote: »

It's rather like discussing debt with Mr Micawber, "Something will come along".

Yes, Cameron or Miliband forming a Grand coalition should do it. Then an EU referendum.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Shakethedisease wrote: »

I hate bursting bubbles.

As do I.

So apologies in advance for demonstrating that nationalism has the same ugly face everywhere it ends up.....

Shakethedisease

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

As do I.

So apologies in advance for demonstrating that nationalism has the same ugly face everywhere it ends up.....

I think you're forgetting the last 8 years of Scottish government Hamish. Trust is hard earned, and Miliband is the 'unknown' in Scotland, (and in fact the UK), not Nicola Sturgeon or the SNP. Miliband has pronounced his distaste for what Scotland is likely to vote for in a few days time. I don't blame him given the loss of Labour seats... but he's made a big mistake. Both in seeking to marginalise the SNP, and seeming to bow to the Tory wishes to also marginalise the SNP. So they can call any government that includes the SNP ( vote by vote basis), as not 'legitimate'.

All the #SNPout graphics in the world won't change that. Nor desperado stuff like trying to equate the SNP with the BNP.

Again, you seem to have lost 8 years of Scottish politics somewhere along the line... We know the SNP up here and their brand of civic nationalism. It's elsewhere that see's it as something it's not. I think you're trying to jump on an ethnic brand of nationalism bandwagon. One that no-one who's lived in Scotland for a while recognises and one that doesn't really exist north of Carlisle.

But don't worry, am sure Generali and Kaby.. sorry can't remember the username will be along in a minute to murmur 'oh Hamish you're sooooooo right'..

Generali

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Yes, Cameron or Miliband forming a Grand coalition should do it. Then an EU referendum.

At least Cameron and Miliband aren't actively pursuing the bankrupting of their own countries.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Shakethedisease wrote: »

We know the SNP up here and their brand of civic nationalism. It's elsewhere that see's it as something it's not. I think you're trying to jump on an ethnic brand of nationalism bandwagon. One that no-one who's lived in Scotland for a while recognises and one that doesn't really exist north of Carlisle.

You are trying to whitewash the last few years of ugly, distasteful and violent Scottish Nationalism out of history, but that's simply not going to happen....

Here's your SNP brand of 'civic nationalism'.....

From today....



And in recent times....

Generali

Shakethedisease wrote: »

I think you're forgetting the last 8 years of Scottish government Hamish. Trust is hard earned, and Miliband is the 'unknown' in Scotland, (and in fact the UK), not Nicola Sturgeon or the SNP. Miliband has pronounced his distaste for what Scotland is likely to vote for in a few days time. I don't blame him given the loss of Labour seats... but he's made a big mistake. Both in seeking to marginalise the SNP, and seeming to bow to the Tory wishes to also marginalise the SNP. So they can call any government that includes the SNP ( vote by vote basis), as not 'legitimate'.

All the #SNPout graphics in the world won't change that. Nor desperado stuff like trying to equate the SNP with the BNP.

Again, you seem to have lost 8 years of Scottish politics somewhere along the line... We know the SNP up here and their brand of civic nationalism. It's elsewhere that see's it as something it's not. I think you're trying to jump on an ethnic brand of nationalism bandwagon. One that no-one who's lived in Scotland for a while recognises and one that doesn't really exist north of Carlisle.

But don't worry, am sure Generali and Kaby.. sorry can't remember the username will be along in a minute to murmur 'oh Hamish you're sooooooo right'..

Once again you conflate the SNP and Scotland. Scotland isn't voting SNP. A lot of Scottish people, perhaps even half of Scottish people, are voting SNP. That's not the same thing as Scotland voting SNP, not by a long chalk.

I doubt that Miliband, Cameron and the vast majority of people have any distaste for Scotland. They do however, like me, have no taste for divisive Nationalists and the hatred they bring with them.

Gangaweed

Tromking wrote: »

You honestly believe that Scotland and the Scottish are somehow organically disposed to having a social conscience and the English aren't?
I`m guessing the two nations concerned are England and Scotland BTW.:)

SNP stooges are a bit like labour, they think they have a god given right. The word pious doesn't even come close.

.string.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Indeed....

Although in the case of Scotland, 'something' turns out to be just more debt....

Do you have a comparable graphic for London by any chance?

Tromking

Gangaweed wrote: »

SNP stooges are a bit like labour, they think they have a god given right. The word pious doesn't even come close.

When you rely on hubristic rhetoric that borders on racism to further your argument as the SNP and their supporters tend to do, then you have to conclude that perhaps their collective confidence in that argument is not the best.
The very idea that Scottish independence is somehow an intellectual journey away from the morally inferior and repressive English is offensive and juvenile. Only a racist would watch a TV programme filmed in England and base their view on that nation on it. Scotland is free to leave the Union whenever it wants and always has been, the reason it has`nt left is down purely to the Scots themselves.

.string.

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Yes, Cameron or Miliband forming a Grand coalition should do it. Then an EU referendum.

The SNP pose that an EU Referendum would justify a Neverendum is just a Fig Leaf, but I no not like the idea of a Referndum myself since I think there are much more effective ways to get change in the EU without the uncertain risk that a Referendum would bring.

The best that can be said of it is that it may lance the boil.