Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

Thrugelmir

padington wrote: »

She did very well in the the debates didn't she ? Cameron was very poor, he can't even smile at the camera without looking like he's swallowed a wasp. Natalie what's her name from the greens quite useless. Milliband did quite well but looked ill. Farrage is just getting boring and looked very ill. We're not going to leave euro land anyway so he is just become a pointless side show. Welsh nats woman came accross well also in a very Welsh kind of way. Cleggy managed to hold his own, that might have been a game changer for lib dems. However SNP stole the show.

By the end most people probably had either switched off (literally) or fallen asleep. As this crop of politicians is best described as poor. All lack one key ingredient imagination.

CLAPTON

padington wrote: »

She did very well in the the debates didn't she ? Cameron was very poor, he can't even smile at the camera without looking like he's swallowed a wasp. Natalie what's her name from the greens quite useless. Milliband did quite well but looked ill. Farrage is just getting boring and looked very ill. We're not going to leave euro land anyway so he is just become a pointless side show. Welsh nats woman came accross well also in a very Welsh kind of way. Cleggy managed to hold his own, that might have been a game changer for lib dems. However SNP stole the show.

I could foresee an ENP, WNP and NINP at this rate. Not good for the Union at all.

remember that Clegg 'won' last time : that worked out well didn't it?

elantan

CLAPTON wrote: »

so you don't know what qualifies a piece of real estate to be a country

and you know even less about Scotland

Its on your computer, you just type in google, not hard honest

I can't do everything for you, I'm not yer maw

CLAPTON

elantan wrote: »

Its on your computer, you just type in google, not hard honest

I can't do everything for you, I'm not yer maw

Why so shy?

why so reluctant to tell us all how and when and why an arbitrary piece of real estate becames a 'country'
don't be shy :

elantan

Google is your friend ... Look it up all will be revealed ... But I'm back to ignoring you again, thought there for a whole 30seconds you had a clue ... My bad

CLAPTON

elantan wrote: »

Google is your friend ... Look it up all will be revealed ... But I'm back to ignoring you again, thought there for a whole 30seconds you had a clue ... My bad

Ok
I think I may have worked it out for myself.

Is is a land mass, where the majority of the people freely vote to stay part of a larger sovereign country?

Generali

CLAPTON wrote: »

Ok
I think I may have worked it out for myself.

Is is a land mass, where the majority of the people freely vote to stay part of a larger sovereign country?

AIUI, a country is a sovereign body whereas a nation is a group with shared characteristics, e.g. gay nation, Zulu nation, Scottish nation.

At present Scotland is a nation but not a country however the terms nation and country are often used (incorrectly) interchangeably. However, in English usage defines correctness. Hence the ability of people to wantonly split infinitives these days.

Shakethedisease

.string. wrote: »

While Shakey is trying to decide what not to talk about next (:)), I thought I'd mention this memo that's been leaked which related to Sturgeon not liking Miliband and wanting the Tories to win the GE . I'd not heard anything before about her not liking Miliband but Shakey has been telling us for ages that a Tory win in the GE would suit the SNP just fine.

The memo may be real, but even the author, who is briefing on a reported conversation is cautious about believing what he is reporting; because he can't believe that Sturgeon would have such a loose tounge and suggests something might have been lost in translation. Sturgeon denies it of course. But one can't help wondering.

But the other issue is her reported mention of Salmond where "she had no idea 'what kind of mischief’ Alex Salmond would get up to". It marks one realise that Salmond with his over-the-top remarks may prove to be an embarrassment to the SNP should the Scots be silly enough to elect him to Westminster.

The memo is requested to be confidential and not distributed further by its author. I should add that I take a diim view of people who betray confidences, even while admitting that the fall out from this one could be entertaining.

I actually logged on here earlier expecting this thread to be full of stuff about this memo. I was pleasantly surprised that no-one mentioned it.. No-one perhaps niave enough to believe that that 2 days after Nicola Strugeon gains praise for her perfomance in the leaders debate, 2000 + new SNP members sign up and the most searched for phrase on UK Google during the debate is 'can I vote SNP if I live in England ?'... and that she leads the party saying they will 'lock the Tories out of government'.... That suddenly, well, there's a bit of a smearfest going on from a leading Tory supporting newspaper.

Oh it's been entertaining alright. Labour jumping on the bandwagon about 2 minutes after the story was released, complete with a 'vine' ready to go..The fact that it originated from the Scotland Office, which Alistair Carmichael leads ( Scottish Sec, laying very low today strangely ) and wall to wall coverage on every news channel today... It all seems to have, well, shot SNP support through the roof.

Dirty tricks, nobody likes them. Most especially when the 'story' is so flimsy. I mean, what kind of newspaper can't be bothered to get a response from the principals in the story before printing it.. but finds the time to get comments and reaction from the likes of Willie Rennie ? ( Do you even know who he is ? ). Might have worked when newspapers and the BBC ruled the roost a few years back. Not today. Nicola's responses were immediate on Twitter when the story broke and we all saw them. We've also seen all the 'deletion's' since of those accusing her last night of 'fraud' etc ( Jim Murphy ).

The real story is as she says. How this third hand memo got into the hands of the Telegraph in the first place from the civil service. Especially this close to an election and within the purdah period. It stinks to high heaven. And was tried before in 2009 before to a lesser extent at the last election.

Newsnet Scotland can reveal that the BBC have been forced to issue a personal apology to senior SNP MSP Alex Neil after an item broadcast on Sunday 18th October attributed views to the SNP Minister that he had not expressed.

The BBC’s Catriona Renton, filming at the SNP conference in Inverness, had claimed on BBC Scotland’s Politics Show that Mr Neil had confirmed the SNP’s desire to see David Cameron become the Prime Minister at the next general election. The recorded interview with Mr Neil that followed Ms Renton’s claim contained no such confirmation.

http://newsnetscotland.blogspot.co.uk/2009/11/bbc-apologises-to-snp-minister.html

She's come out fighting though. Pressure's on Ed 'this is a devastating memo for the SNP' Milliband to respond now.

In the meantime, I repeat my challenge to Ed Miliband: if together our parties have the numbers required after 7 May, and regardless of which is the biggest party, will he and Labour join with us in locking David Cameron out of Downing Street?

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/apr/04/nicola-sturgeon-snp-anti-austerity-message-tories?CMP=share_btn_tw

Saturday, April 4, 2015

Scottish voting intentions for the May 2015 UK general election (Panelbase) :

SNP 45% (+4)
Labour 29% (-2)
Conservatives 14% (n/c)

Generali

I never thought I'd get a post thanked by CLAPTON, STD and zag!

It looks like the Civil Service have indirectly confirmed that the story about the French ambassador:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/11515842/Cabinet-secretary-orders-inquiry-into-how-Nicola-Sturgeons-comments-were-leaked.html

I still don't really understand why it's a story.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Shakethedisease wrote: »

I actually logged on here earlier expecting this thread to be full of stuff about this memo. I was pleasantly surprised that no-one mentioned it..

And yet you felt the need to.

At length....;)