Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

Thrugelmir

Shakethedisease wrote: »

The Tories have little support in Scotland.

What's little? Does the SNP even command 50% of the popular vote? I doubt it.

CLAPTON

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Alex Salmond was a hard sell to older Labour voters, who've spent decades ( misguidedly) regarding the SNP as the sole reason Thatcher got in, in 1979..Salmond came to prominence in the SNP while that was still fresh in a lot of memories. The media in Scotland spent a lot of time personalising the 'Blow for Salmond' headlines and referendum debates solely around him.

Amazing: you agree with Elantan that the Scottish are too stupid to govern themselves, as they are incapable of distinguishing propaganda from the truth (well, we all had an idea that was true for many SNP supporters but you have given a larger dimension to the issue.)

Generali

Shakethedisease wrote: »

The Tories have little support in Scotland. They can't be seen to be propping up a UK govt, that Scotland doesn't vote for ? It would be like the Tories propping up a government run by George Galloway, or the Scottish Socialist Party. Never going to happen.

The Tories don't have many seats but at the last general election they polled just 3 percentage points fewer than the SNP.

.string.

elantan wrote: »

We've been promised devo Max anyway, the SNP intend on getting the VOW delivered ... SNP don't like Tories so I highly doubt it if they will do any deals with Tories

That is simply not the truth: Where, in the "vow" does it state that devo Max will be delivered?

zagubov

.string. wrote: »

That is simply not the truth: Where, in the "vow" does it state that devo Max will be delivered?

Well the unionist media described it in precisely such terms
http://politicalscrapbook.net/2014/09/bbc-sources-devo-max-isnt-happening/


Is it possible they could have lied to the electorate? :whistle:

.string.

zagubov wrote: »

Well the unionist media described it in precisely such terms
http://politicalscrapbook.net/2014/09/bbc-sources-devo-max-isnt-happening/


Is it possible they could have lied to the electorate? :whistle:

A "Scrap Bookl" is what you offer!! Not an official document issued by those three Party Leaderswho have the authority to make such promises for their parties. Just spin for one purpose or another.

Claiming that FFA of Devo Max has been offered is just typical SNP spin, falsifying the facts for it's own purposes; Lying in other words.

I noticed that Sturgeon, mixing motherhood platitudes with SNP spin in her responses the other night at the debate, perpetuates SNP Lies and half truths.

There is no mention of Devo Max in the Vow.

The text of the "Vow" is this:

THE VOW

"The people of Scotland want to know that all three main political parties will deliver change for Scotland.

WE ARE AGREED THAT:

The Scottish Parliament is permanent and extensive new powers for the Parliament will be delivered by the process and to the timetable agreed and announced by our three parties, starting on 19th September.

And it is our hope that the people of Scotland will be engaged directly as each party works to improve the way we are governed in the UK in the years ahead.

We agree that the UK exists to ensure opportunity and security for all by sharing our resources equitably across all four nations to secure the defence, prosperity and welfare of each citizen.

And because of the continuation of the Barnett allocation for resources, and the powers of the Scottish Parliament to raise revenue, we can state categorically that the final say on how much is spent on the NHS will be a matter for the Scottish Parliament.

We believe that the arguments that so powerfully make the case for staying together in the UK should underpin our future as a country. We will honour those principles and values not only before the referendum but after.

People want to see change. A No vote will deliver faster, safer and better change than separation.


Signed by: Mr David Cameron, Mr Ed Miliband and Mr Nick Clegg "

Generali

Hmm. Continuation of Barnett = no FFA. Result for Scotland.

zagubov

.string. wrote: »

A "Scrap Bookl" is what you offer!! Not an official document issued by those three Party Leaderswho have the authority to make such promises for their parties. Just spin for one purpose or another.

Claiming that FFA of Devo Max has been offered is just typical SNP spin, falsifying the facts for it's own purposes; Lying in other words.

I noticed that Sturgeon, mixing motherhood platitudes with SNP spin in her responses the other night at the debate, perpetuates SNP Lies and half truths.

There is no mention of Devo Max in the Vow.

The text of the "Vow" is this:

THE VOW

"The people of Scotland want to know that all three main political parties will deliver change for Scotland.

WE ARE AGREED THAT:

The Scottish Parliament is permanent and extensive new powers for the Parliament will be delivered by the process and to the timetable agreed and announced by our three parties, starting on 19th September.

And it is our hope that the people of Scotland will be engaged directly as each party works to improve the way we are governed in the UK in the years ahead.

We agree that the UK exists to ensure opportunity and security for all by sharing our resources equitably across all four nations to secure the defence, prosperity and welfare of each citizen.

And because of the continuation of the Barnett allocation for resources, and the powers of the Scottish Parliament to raise revenue, we can state categorically that the final say on how much is spent on the NHS will be a matter for the Scottish Parliament.

We believe that the arguments that so powerfully make the case for staying together in the UK should underpin our future as a country. We will honour those principles and values not only before the referendum but after.

People want to see change. A No vote will deliver faster, safer and better change than separation.


Signed by: Mr David Cameron, Mr Ed Miliband and Mr Nick Clegg "

I have no beef with what they wrote. That, however won't fit in a headline, which is what the busy public have time to read.

Generali

zagubov wrote: »

I have no beef with what they wrote. That, however won't fit in a headline, which is what the busy public have time to read.

Very true although not the fault of the No campaign. Of course it may become their problem.

It's kinda the flip side of the problem that the SNP has in England I guess.

I think the fear of a lot of Unionists ever since this process started was that the process and its aftermath would fundamentally alter the relationship between Scotland and England for the worst. As a Unionist I think that the way that the next few years are handled are critical to a good outcome for the Union.

The UK Government has to run the whole of the country not two countries. That Scotland votes SNP for Westminster is exactly as important or unimportant as Surrey voting for the Tories.

I'd never read The Vow previously. Let's face it, it's a motherhood and apple pie statement. It's meaningless. However if Scottish people think they were promised a bunch of things then that needs to be dealt with even if those promises were never made.

CLAPTON

zagubov wrote: »

I have no beef with what they wrote. That, however won't fit in a headline, which is what the busy public have time to read.

how is this vow consist with the inequitable Barnett formula?

We agree that the UK exists to ensure opportunity and security for all by sharing our resources equitably across all four nations to secure the defence, prosperity and welfare of each citizen.