Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

elantan

2022 new SNP members since the debate

Wonder how many new members Labour etc have since the debate

zagubov

elantan wrote: »

To be fair that's not the only reference to nationalism they make the N in SNP is kinda nationalist as well

But yes thy are far removed from what a lot of people deem "Nationalism" to be

That's because it's a merger of the National Party of Scotland and the Scottish Party. Plenty of posters here thought the N stood for nationalist. Even the Economist magazine seriously called it the Scottish Nationalist Party even when they're not mocking Scotland's economy as "Skintland".

Still one person's attention to detail is the next's pedantic nitpicking.

elantan wrote: »

2022 new SNP members since the debate

Wonder how many new members Labour etc have since the debate

minus 2022

Voltaire7

zagubov wrote: »

minus 2022

Not so sure about that. The Conservativese seem to have been impressed by Sturgeon as much as Labour.

In fact, I think we might see a sharp increase in English immigration in the coming months.

Generali

Voltaire7 wrote: »

Destroy
No interest
Screw
Genuine risk

Sounds like Project Fear all over again.

You are absolutely seething that your old boys' network may be disrupted.

It's glorious.

And it's idiots like you that mean that the SNP can never govern the UK.

You remember the story of the wind and the sun trying to get the coat off the man?

You and all the other losers that agree with you are exactly what the English don't want within a hundred miles of Government and rightly so. It's like putting those idiots hanging off the crossbar at Wembley in charge of things.

Voltaire7

Generali wrote: »

And it's idiots like you that mean that the SNP can never govern the UK.

You remember the story of the wind and the sun trying to get the coat off the man?

You and all the other losers that agree with you are exactly what the English don't want within a hundred miles of Government and rightly so. It's like putting those idiots hanging off the crossbar at Wembley in charge of things.

Losers? Idiots? That's quite a harsh tone you're taking there.

Your football simile is quite relevant, particularly considering your football team fails to deliver on its promises every 4 years.

You're completely rattled. Glorious.

vivatifosi

elantan wrote: »

Will need to watch it, cant seem to find it online anywhere ... :mad::mad:

elantan, have you managed you watch it yet? It's now on ITV player:
https://www.itv.com/itvplayer/the-leaders-debate/series-1/episode-1-the-leaders-debate

kabayiri

Generali wrote: »

That's as may be but if the SNP seek to run The UK as well as Scotland then these are the fears they need to address. From what I've read and seen of the debate Sturgeon gets it.

We can argue the toss about how Scottish Nationalism is somehow different to other sorts but the fact is that if the SNP is going to play a meaningful role in British politics this needs to be understood. Sturgeon gets it. STD is stuck in her fantasy world where 2% of the electorate tells the 98% how it is.

For a start if you leave the word "National" in the title, you are allowing people to assume the Nationalist aspirations.

Even silly old UKIP don't make that mistake.

You can't play a meaningful long term role in British politics if your long term goal is to operate as a successful; even competing; independent entity. Conflicting goals will come into play at some point.

It's like squaring a circle. Do it and it's no longer a circle!

kabayiri

zagubov wrote: »

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I sometimes wonder whether the SNP should spread their franchise across the north of England, setting up regional autonomy parties for England's remote regions, which often feel neglected by Westminster and metropolitan interests.

Of course they should.

There are different means to achieving ones goals, but they should also anticipate a response from the mainstream. Harsh reality it may be, but we need London money - all of us.

Politics can be a dirty business.

elantan

vivatifosi wrote: »

elantan, have you managed you watch it yet? It's now on ITV player:
https://www.itv.com/itvplayer/the-leaders-debate/series-1/episode-1-the-leaders-debate

Not yet been at Linlithgow and Bo'ness today just heading home now will watch it shortly, thanks for the link

Went I to a shop to buy my National paper and the wee woman wanted to talk politics .... So we were there for nearly an hour ... She voted NO cause she didnae understand it but wishes she had voted yes and will be voting Yes next time

Found it hard to bite my tongue sometimes

But she deff voting for SNP come May

Generali

Voltaire7 wrote: »

Losers? Idiots? That's quite a harsh tone you're taking there.

Your football simile is quite relevant, particularly considering your football team fails to deliver on its promises every 4 years.

You're completely rattled. Glorious.

Only a harsh tone with you.

You simply don't understand what the SNP has to do to get another step down the road. It's going to be great fun watching the hooligan element such as you wreck your own dreams.

Sturgeon understands that she needs the English on side. You? What do you think the next step is?