Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

Voltaire7

vivatifosi wrote: »

Yeah right... I'm leaning towards Nigel in the sense that anyone who isn't a commie is leaning towards Nigel. I wouldn't touch that gurning loon with your bargepole.

A Tory! No wonder you were trying to keep that to yourself.

Generali

Voltaire7 wrote: »

A Tory! No wonder you were trying to keep that to yourself.

How did you get that from Vivatifosi's post.

You are what we economists call a 'gurning halfwit'.

Voltaire7

Generali wrote: »

How did you get that from Vivatifosi's post.

You are what we economists call a 'gurning halfwit'.

Well, given that you economists don't have such a great track records with your proclamations, I'm fairly relaxed about this latest one!

Voltaire7

kabayiri wrote: »

And...there is definitely a Nationalistic group in Scotland which believes it can wreak havoc in Westminster.

--> so that covers "Fools"

There's plenty of English who agree with your statement. Have you not been reading this thread?

Are those people fools also? Or are those fools the right sort of fools?

Generali

Voltaire7 wrote: »

Well, given that you economists don't have such a great track records with your proclamations, I'm fairly relaxed about this latest one!

Better an economist than an apologist for a political creed that deliberately killed well over a hundred million people in the name of ideology.

Voltaire7

Leanne1812 wrote: »

Think about it.....

A minor party, not UK wide, yet appears to win the debate between 7 leaders. Amongst them our current & next PM. Pretty impressive don't you think?

I'm particularly happy that the rest of the UK get to see why so many scots like & support SNP. They aren't the extremists Gen, Hamish & others paint them to be.

It's something they wouldn't like to give credence to.

It is quite remarkable.
20% for Cameron, that's your staunch Tory voter voting Tory
20% for Miliband, that's you staunch Labour voter voting Labour.
20% for Farage, that's your staunch English bigot (they used to be football hooligans back in the 80s, but have grown up)
20% for Sturgeon, that's your impartial English voter impressed by honest policies and straight talking.

Voltaire7

Generali wrote: »

Better an economist than an apologist for a political creed that deliberately killed well over a hundred million people in the name of ideology.

How many deaths are you happy to be an apologist for, and at what point do you consider switching?

100 million is a nicely convenient number. Can almost imagine it on a billboard.

ruggedtoast

Goddammit Sturgeon stuck it to Cameron and Millipede last night. Odds Teeth, I wish my county had a sturgeon sticking up for it rather than some craven neo liberal stooge whose only interest is sticking their snout in the Westminster trough.

How do I do an SNP postal vote?

elantan

You cannae ... But you can join the party along with the 1600 other people last night, not all of whom are from Scotland either

Shakethedisease

Generali wrote: »

Yup, I agree.

The English have never taken to Nationalist parties. The NF was a damp squib as the BNP have been after them. Prior to that Moseley and his blackshirts were widely hated and condemned.

Given that Sinn Fein and the IRA have provided the English with their chief exposure to Irish nationalism, you can see why there'd be some nervousness at celtic nationalism.

Nationalism is a dirty word in England and only really expressed through sport. St George's Day usually passes me by without me noticing it despite the best efforts of the pubs to persuade people to get drunk. There is no English national holiday nor any real desire for one.

The English don't like or want Nationalism and if Labour try to enforce it on them there may well be a significant backlash against it.

It's the Scottish National Party. The 'nationalism' they stand for isn't the same as the nationalism of the BNP etc You're on the wrong track. Putting the SNP into the same box as the likes of the BNP is just knee-jerk stuff ( but convenient ) but has very little bearing on reality. It's not ethnic based.

Civic nationalism (or civil nationalism) is the form of nationalism in which the state derives political legitimacy from the active participation of its citizenry, from the degree to which it represents the "will of the people". It is often seen as originating with Jean-Jacques Rousseau and especially the social contract theories which take their name from his 1762 book The Social Contract. Civic nationalism lies within the traditions of rationalism and liberalism, but as a form of nationalism it is contrasted with ethnic nationalism. Membership of the civic nation is considered voluntary. Civic-national ideals influenced the development of representative democracy in countries such as the United States and France.

As for Paddy Ashdown and his Balkans thing.. He knows the only Lib Dem route to power once again is a re-run of 2010 with the Lib Dems third largest party. The SNP is getting in the way of that. Not to mention looking like wiping out 10 of their 11 MP's in Scotland. He's bound to be a little bit annoyed with them.