Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

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Thrugelmir

Shakethedisease wrote: »

There's an awful lot of tweets asking when the SNP are going to field candidates in England..

Guess it shows the level of intellect of political activists these days. :rotfl:


Perhaps the English SNP would vote for Scottish Independence.

kabayiri

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Both the Times and the Telegraph calling it for Nicola Sturgeon too on their front pages tomorrow. Hardly SNP friendly. The Yougov poll is particularly surprising since it was a UK wide poll. I think the demonising of Salmond has been slapped aside good style tonight if nothing else. Nicola arrived on the radar instead... and didn't seem so bad after all for a lot of viewers not in Scotland. There's an awful lot of tweets asking when the SNP are going to field candidates in England.. and another 1300, wait, 1400... no it's 1500 new members too during the debate. She did really well.

I was just surprised the format actually worked ! I was expecting a total bun fight. Cameron sat back a bit though. Farage didn't get to grandstand, which was against his usual style.

I guess it's more about not being a total loser than being the winner. You don't want to make a gaff in such a setting.

You may think there is widespread hatred of the SNP down here, but in truth it's mostly indifference. The whole independence thing was something your average Mancunian couldn't influence.

Nicola S might come across well, but she heads up a party without any representation down here, she's not really relevant here. Next week, the political roadshow will have moved on to something else anyway.

Shakethedisease

.string. wrote: »

A twisted rationale does not excuse the hypocrisy. The Tories could also say, but don't because it's a silly argument you have invented, that they would not ally with the SNP for the reason that the SNP don't do very well in England.

Re the latter part of your post, what I wrote was based on what you wrote and simplistic deflections will not change that, however you twist and turn.

If you are in a hole you had better stop digging.

Nope, if the SNP had shown willing to do a deal with the Tories, you can be absolutely assured Cameron and Osborne would be on the phone every 5 mins fluttering their eyelashes and asking what they wanted in order to clinch the deal. FFA autonomy included by the way...

It's because the SNP has ruled out any deal with them that things have gone a bit nasty with the anti-SNP/dangerous/terrifying/scary/Balkans campaigning. In ruling out any deal with the Tories the SNP may have put them out of power for 5 years, or at least made it much less likely if there's a hung parliament...and don't they know it too.

kabayiri

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Nope, if the SNP had shown willing to do a deal with the Tories, you can be absolutely assured Cameron and Osborne would be on the phone every 5 mins fluttering their eyelashes and asking what they wanted in order to clinch the deal. FFA autonomy included by the way...

It's because the SNP has ruled out any deal with them that things have gone a bit nasty with the anti-SNP/dangerous/terrifying/scary/Balkans campaigning. In ruling out any deal with the Tories the SNP may have put them out of power for 5 years, or at least made it much less likely if there's a hung parliament...and don't they know it too.

On the Daily Politics today they explained that the nature of the Fixed Term parliament we have now has changed the dynamic of the election process when it comes to forming a government from a minority position.

We might be in uncharted waters.

Thrugelmir

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Nope, if the SNP had shown willing to do a deal with the Tories, you can be absolutely assured Cameron and Osborne would be on the phone every 5 mins fluttering their eyelashes and asking what they wanted in order to clinch the deal. FFA autonomy included by the way...

It's because the SNP has ruled out any deal with them that things have gone a bit nasty with the anti-SNP/dangerous/terrifying/scary/Balkans campaigning. In ruling out any deal with the Tories the SNP may have put them out of power for 5 years, or at least made it much less likely if there's a hung parliament...and don't they know it too.

No point in speculating about something that may not even come to pass. If there's no agreement. Then it's back to the polls.

Shakethedisease

kabayiri wrote: »

I guess it's more about not being a total loser than being the winner. You don't want to make a gaff in such a setting.

You may think there is widespread hatred of the SNP down here, but in truth it's mostly indifference. The whole independence thing was something your average Mancunian could influence.

Nicola S might come across well, but she heads up a party without any representation down here, she's not really relevant here. Next week, the political roadshow will have moved on to something else anyway.

No, I don't think there's widespread hatred. But I think the media go overboard in trying to paint pictures that many of us in Scotland can't see, nor agree with... Because it's just not the way things are. Bitterness/divided families etc or that we should all hate Salmond, Sturgeon because... They're BOTH, in the main, extremely popular politicians up here ( despite what mcskinflint says ) and it's very difficult to get across a lot of things when people here just take the latest Telegraph or Daily Record smeartastic as gospel. I waste a lot of time here with folks thinking I'm some kind of cultist deranged nutter just pointing that out. Mabye Nicola tonight has redressed a little bit of that too. With a few others seeing what we see on a daily basis (a forlorn hope on this thread I'd imagine though lol ).

Next week things will not have moved on. There are still Scottish leader debates to go. And the SNP will have ( going by polls ) perhaps a part to play in how the next parliament is formed. If so the SNP will indeed be very relevant. However, I don't think leaders debates change opinions very much. You're right about that.

Generali

Shakethedisease wrote: »

It's because the SNP has ruled out any deal with them that things have gone a bit nasty with the anti-SNP/dangerous/terrifying/scary/Balkans campaigning. In ruling out any deal with the Tories the SNP may have put them out of power for 5 years, or at least made it much less likely if there's a hung parliament...and don't they know it too.

It doesn't explain Lord Pants though!

It's actually just that the English dislike and don't trust the SNP. Some Labour supporters will support them because of the Socialist thing but most of us really don't like them or want them.

The Balkanisation thing is overblown but this actually reflects the views of a lot of English people.

Unfortunately I can't find the poll this article refers to but 46% of British people seem to be opposed to the SNP whilst 22% think having the SNP in a coalition Government would be a good thing:

http://www.heraldscotland.com/comment/herald-view/herald-view-english-labour-voters-sanguine-on-snp.122146207

It's not exactly conclusive but it is probably indicative of how things stand. This, of course, is during a time when the SNP are really an irrelevance to English people. They have 6 seats in Parliament (almost literally a handful!) and only got 3 percentage points more votes in the last General Election in Scotland than the Tories!

If the SNP hold the third largest number of seats in the Commons, things will be very different. For a start the SNP will be represented on every single select committee. That in itself may cause problems given that few of the candidates have any experience of Westminster at all.

Shakethedisease

kabayiri wrote: »

On the Daily Politics today they explained that the nature of the Fixed Term parliament we have now has changed the dynamic of the election process when it comes to forming a government from a minority position.

We might be in uncharted waters.

Yes, we are. Shame no-one's told Scottish Labour yet, they're still robotically droning every.single.time they're asked that 'the biggest party gets to form the government' blissfully unaware that an awful lot of people know that's not the case.. Will be a few red faces all round if Cameron gets more seats but not a majority. Then Milliband has to either take the chance of forming one with the SNP or else vote the Tories back in... :eek: I don't mind politicians 'spinning' things, but Scottish Labour up here are just plain bare-faced lying on this one.

Polls are starting to change though as people engage more. Interesting times.

kabayiri

Generali wrote: »

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It's actually just that the English dislike and don't trust the SNP. Some Labour supporters will support them because of the Socialist thing but most of us really don't like them or want them.
...

I think there is a general mistrust of any Nationalist party Gen, be it Welsh, Scottish, Irish or English.

UKIP are a Nationalist party like the SNP, although they avoid using the word, unsurprisingly.