Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

Thrugelmir

Leanne1812 wrote: »

But not everyone supports or will vote SNP. It's very simple, we are a part of this Union. We chose to remain. It's possible people may vote snp who also voted No in the referendum because they like their policies or because they trust them more than the other parties. It's not democratic to just think we can be shut out. Our representatives will be in Westminster to do just that.

Going to be interesting. Nationalism will work two ways. So there's a careful path to be trodden. Anti Austerity is a nice soundbite. Trouble is the Empress may be found to have no clothes. When there's decisions to be made.

Generali

Leanne1812 wrote: »

Really lolled at the idea that you read that article and actually thought it was serious!

You're so blinkered you'd believe anything negative wouldn't you?

Cheers for giving me a good laugh.:rotfl:

I'm happy to say that whilst I am dumb enough to fall for that, at least I'm not stupid enough to vote for them.

Voltaire7

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Going to be interesting. Nationalism will work two ways. So there's a careful path to be trodden. Anti Austerity is a nice soundbite. Trouble is the Empress may be found to have no clothes. When there's decisions to be made.

Why do so many like you talk as if UK / English nationalism isn't a thing?

Does it not exist, or a you just a bit deluded?

Generali

Leanne1812 wrote: »

But not everyone supports or will vote SNP. It's very simple, we are a part of this Union. We chose to remain. It's possible people may vote snp who also voted No in the referendum because they like their policies or because they trust them more than the other parties. It's not democratic to just think we can be shut out. Our representatives will be in Westminster to do just that.

If the opinion polls are correct, and I've posted before about the problems with opinion polls in these situations, then clearly people are claiming that they will vote SNP that did not vote Yes.

The reason? It was clear before the referendum campaign started that Scottish people wanted Devo Max/FFA but not independence. Perhaps voters simply feel that the SNP is best placed to deliver that.

FWIW, I suspect that the support is coming from voters who want a broadly left party and are fed up with Labour's one party rule in Scotland.

Anyhoo, interesting times and all that. We'll see what happens in a few weeks. Scotland will find out the consequences of voting for a regional rather than a national party whatever they may be.

Thrugelmir

Voltaire7 wrote: »

Why do so many like you talk as if UK / English nationalism isn't a thing?

Does it not exist, or a you just a bit deluded?

You missed my point. If the SNP come to Westminster and play childish games. Then expect a backlash.

As for delusional, Alex Salmond has no equals. His puppet one suspects is totally brainwashed.

Shakethedisease

Generali wrote: »

If the opinion polls are correct, and I've posted before about the problems with opinion polls in these situations, then clearly people are claiming that they will vote SNP that did not vote Yes.

The reason? It was clear before the referendum campaign started that Scottish people wanted Devo Max/FFA but not independence. Perhaps voters simply feel that the SNP is best placed to deliver that.

FWIW, I suspect that the support is coming from voters who want a broadly left party and are fed up with Labour's one party rule in Scotland.

Anyhoo, interesting times and all that. We'll see what happens in a few weeks. Scotland will find out the consequences of voting for a regional rather than a national party whatever they may be.

I think you've summed it up pretty well ( apart from the doom of the last sentence ). However, I think Leanne is talking about this sort of thing.. which has been getting extremely prevalent in recent days, and likely to get worse. In Westminster they think they're just dismissing the SNP. In Scotland, we think they're dismissing an awful lot of ordinary Scots voters. As if voting SNP is something 'not quite' democratic enough.

It's not playing out well north of the border. It's not even things like the DUP ( which is to be expected to be honest )... It's the actual language continually used.. 'terrifying', 'Balkans', 'burn Westminster down', 'scary' etc etc.. I appreciate Labour are under kind of the same pressure via newspapers in England. But in Scotland Labour are at it here as well ! So it's everywhere. Anna Soubry actually did look terrified next to Salmond on the sofa too.:eek:

Paddy Ashdown said: "The SNP has got one aim. They're not coming south to help Westminster work, they're coming south as a Scottish raiding party to burn Westminster down and to make the thing dysfunctional. "I watched it happen in the Balkans, by the way. You first of all make it dysfunctional and then you have a case for breaking away. That's what their aim is."

http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/scottish-politics/paddy-ashdown-the-snp-are-coming-south-to-burn-westminster.1427713383

DUP leader Peter Robinson has said his party will not support a Westminster government that is "captive to a separatist party".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-northern-ireland-32153084

Appearing alongside Salmond on the BBC's Andrew Marr Show on Sunday morning, Conservative defence minister Anna Soubry branded the Salmond's strategy for a hung parliament as "terrifying".

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/03/23/alex-salmond-terrifying-says-tory-defence-minister_n_6921722.html

Shakethedisease

CLAPTON wrote: »

the SNP aren't committed to representing the views of their constituents : the SNP are fully committed to independence.

voters may well put them in power and the SNP may well choose to represent some of their constituents views but not on the matter of independence.

so no, they don't have the same relationship with the UK parliament as the majority of other MPs

But they don't just stand for independence do they ? They've been running a devolved government for 7 years day to day. Many might think if they're doing well on the devolved stuff.. may as well give them a go at the reserved stuff too ? Since Labour hasn't exactly blazed a trail there last time they were in. Might make sense to a lot of Scots that.

Generali

The support for the SNP throws up a conundrum common to regional parties. They have huge support in their region and little or none elsewhere. That gives them a mandate to run Scotland but not one to rule the UK as even an excellent result in Scotland means the SNP probably is the 6th largest UK party by votes although 3rd or 4th by seats.

The views of Lord Pantsdown probably reflect the fears of many English voters. They might be reasonable or they might not but they are real and something that the SNP will have to address if they're going to be a part of Government.

Voltaire7

Leanne1812 wrote: »

Really lolled at the idea that you read that article and actually thought it was serious!

You're so blinkered you'd believe anything negative wouldn't you?

Cheers for giving me a good laugh.:rotfl:

He has a condition known as permarage.

Shakethedisease

Generali wrote: »

The support for the SNP throws up a conundrum common to regional parties. They have huge support in their region and little or none elsewhere. That gives them a mandate to run Scotland but not one to rule the UK as even an excellent result in Scotland means the SNP probably is the 6th largest UK party by votes although 3rd or 4th by seats.

They'll have 20- 40 ( who knows ) seats out of 650. The fact that parliament may be another hung parliament is down to the two biggest parties in England not getting an overall mandate there. Not the SNP's problem as they don't stand there. Scotland is part of the UK, it's taxes go there, and so do it's politicians to vote on reserved matters. No-one worried when it was Scottish Labour MP's that went down for decades. Even when they introduced tuition fees and privatisation to the NHS in England. Ironic that a party that voted against both is now seen as a threat.

The views of Lord Pantsdown probably reflect the fears of many English voters. They might be reasonable or they might not but they are real and something that the SNP will have to address if they're going to be a part of Government.

I don't think the language used is soothing away those 'fears' to be honest. It's whipping things up, and unashamedly so. The only fear any English voter should have re the SNP is independence, and that's not on the table, nor what this election is about. The language Paddy Ashdown, Anna Soubry and many others in the media spotlight have used over the past days, and weeks ( rivers of blood etc ).. is way OTT for what it is. And is making a lot of Scots voters feel that voting how they want to is somehow not legitimate... unless it's to return Labour MP's once again ( that would be just fine of course...but wouldn't do Cameron much good ! ).

People like Paddy Ashdown really should know better. He may have lost Charlie Kennedy his seat coming out with the likes of the above ( is looking a bit iffy at the mo ) .. as it only serves to solidify SNP votes, and waverers who don't like being spoken to like they're on some sort of rampage to 'burn' Westminster down or Balkanise the UK, if even fleetingly considering voting SNP.