Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

skintmacflint

Shakethedisease wrote: »

The Daily Record do nothing but smear and fear these days re the SNP. Possibly why their circulation is falling like a stone.

And then, there was you too buying into it wholesale without reading properly and posting nonsense about SNP supporters having 'form'. And not just 'form' a lot of it too ! In what exactly ?

What are the Daily Records figures and how do they compare to last year? Is it just their figure which is falling or is this happening across the board.

Funny you should say this by the way. I don't buy it, but one of my friends who is an SNP voter does. He thinks it gives a balanced viewpoint which is the opposite of what you think. He also reads the Herald.

As for form

Symbolic burning of Smith Commission papers by 2 councillors who were suspended. Cleared by an inquiry, you should look up how that body are put together. Both were recently reinstated and 2 I believe gained promotions.

Mass protest outside BBC, over alleged bias during Indy ref, placards demanding Nick Robinson be fired, then some nasty social media posting when he was diagnosed with a form of cancer. Salmond dint seem to think there was a problem with this.

Campaign harassment organised via social media against BT campaigners or speakers.

Boycotting stores, companies who didn't support Independence. Including an attempted social media campaign in Asdas, to fill up full trolleys with food then abandon them.

Social media campaign by 2 SNP councillors or members to film Labour canvassers, campaigners out on doorsteps, and post film online if they didn't like what they heard. sturgeon clamped down on this, suppose she had to after it happened to Margaret Curran.

Naturally as you IIRC only use twitter and social media for your friends and family and don't read any biased press you probably won't be aware of any of this, doesn't mean it wasn't happening.

Generali

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Says a lot that Generali thinks the governing party in Scotland for the last 7 years is an extremist 'fringe'. I think it says it all really.

Do you think Scotland should leave the union now Generali ? It's an honest and genuine question. I'm interested in your thoughts. Or should we just vote Labour MP's in again instead ?

I do think the SNP are an extremist fringe party that have temporarily been thrust into the mainstream rather as parties such as Syriza and Golden Dawn have in Greece.

Scots should vote as they please just as the English should. I suspect that the Scots will discover that if they vote for hate-fuelled (see skinmcflint's post above) 'crypto-comunists' they will not get the best political or economic outcomes at which point the SNP and their apologists can crawl back under a rock.

Leanne1812

skintmacflint wrote: »

Possibly not welcome , mainly because of the impression our ex FM started giving of how it would operate last year Leanne. Remember it's only recently the motto changed to we're the anti austerity party , allegedly for all our friends. Or at least as was said by Sturgeon, ,'for as long as we remain members of the UK, we will be your allies' etc. Then all members flat out refusing to say an referendum in the 2016 manifesto is off the table. So that could be for a year or maybe three.

But in the meantime, as power brokers as far as I can see they will only support populist legislation for more spending, but not any cuts needed. While still wanting more concessions despite their infamous oil bubble revenue having burst for now. SNP policies aren't new or different, they're just a rehashed version of what didn't work decades before. Not even with their Scandic twist.

It's not the way to win friends and influence people. People down South were pretty amiable until Salmond opened that big mouth of his deliberately. And a bit disingenuous of you not to allow a few people on here over the border, their opinion on the matter, when there were plenty of opinions aired by 45% of Scottish people during the Indy Ref.

Fact is we are a democratic nation, so despite what people say or think, the democratic process will work. SNP will be involved in the Westminster process regardless of what is said or thought on here.

Which is a damn sight more I think than you will get in a Scotland run as a single party state, which could happen, however unlikely you or anyone else think it possible. Then you will get exactly what SNP decide is best for you. And the start of it is just around the corner in 2016.

Although we disagree I do quite enjoy reading your posts Skint :-)

You don't like SNP, that much is obvious. Is there anything about them you do like or since they want to break up the union is that the red line for you?

I don't want a single party state any more than you do but I do want to see an alternative to what the big 2 are offering. I think if the polls play out as predicted it's fair to say quite a lot of scots do too.

I think Nicola recognises it's important to stress we are part of the Union and want to influence change that benefits all in the UK. Surely that's a good thing?

Generali

http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/ukpr-projection-2

Latest prediction is that a Lib-Lab pact can govern even if Sinn Fein take their seats which they probably won't. Once you lose 4 Sinn Fein seats, Labour might even be able to rule with Green. The Green Party looks set to get between 2-4x the number of votes of the SNP and UKIP perhaps 8x.

http://www.comres.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/ITV-News_Scottish-Labour-Constituencies-Poll_31st-March-2015.pdf

The SNP lead over Labour looks like it might be falling too (Scots realising the implications of FFA?) although as the poll is only of Labour seats it might just be that I'm not comparing like with like. If the SNP hasn't fallen, the implication is that they will win massive majorities where they already hold power and do less well where they don't. Vote concentration is a mixed blessing in a FPTP system.

kabayiri

Leanne1812 wrote: »

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I think Nicola recognises it's important to stress we are part of the Union and want to influence change that benefits all in the UK. Surely that's a good thing?

Why should she do that?

Only 6 months ago she was keen to emphasise that Scotland should not be part of the UK.

What has changed?

Nothing has changed. The SNP is still committed to a Nationalist cause.

It's just their methods have changed. They will now seek to leverage power and benefits from the UK government in a situation which relies on their votes.

kabayiri

Shakethedisease wrote: »

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Do you think Scotland should leave the union now Generali ? It's an honest and genuine question. I'm interested in your thoughts. Or should we just vote Labour MP's in again instead ?

I think you should try and live under a balanced budget within the next couple of years to sample the conditions an independent Scotland would have to operate under.

This would mean a state income some billions of pounds less than the current situation.

We could redirect the difference towards paying off Scotlands share of the deficit.

This would give people in Scotland a more accurate feel as to what sort of state you could afford when independent.

They can then make a more informed judgement at the next referendum.

Leanne1812

kabayiri wrote: »

Why should she do that?

Only 6 months ago she was keen to emphasise that Scotland should not be part of the UK.

What has changed?

Nothing has changed. The SNP is still committed to a Nationalist cause.

It's just their methods have changed. They will now seek to leverage power and benefits from the UK government in a situation which relies on their votes.

She's doing it because that is the truth. That is the situation we are in. We are a part of the Union, a supposedly valued part though to read this thread you'd wonder..........

Isn't that what happens all the time in politics? " you scratch my back & I'll do yours".

Why should it be any different just because it's the democratically elected SNP?

Generali

Leanne1812 wrote: »

She's doing it because that is the truth. That is the situation we are in. We are a part of the Union, a supposedly valued part though to read this thread you'd wonder..........

Isn't that what happens all the time in politics? " you scratch my back & I'll do yours".

Why should it be any different just because it's the democratically elected SNP?

If you look at the thread I think you'll find that Unionists value Scotland very highly it's just the SNP we hate.

elantan

Was away to listen to the Big Man last night, had a wee tear and a laugh and got to kiss the big man on the cheek ...

kabayiri

I've seen and read it all on this thread now.

First we hear Nicola S talking about change within the Union, and now this. I thought SNP supporters were supposed to be ploughing their own original path, not just mimicking others?

https://youtu.be/QwDwRsfUj6Y