Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

Generali

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Smear and fear from the Daily Labour... must be an election coming up.

So what about Dr Henderson's study, has it been misrepresented or is she a unionist stooge?

Let me guess, you don't have to answer that one because unionists.

kabayiri

Shakethedisease wrote: »

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But, no, it's not my 'vision'. That's how things work rule wise in parliament forming governments. We vote in the MP's, but it's the MP's that have to form a government somehow..and based on the arithmetic on May 8th, it all looks messy. We're too used probably to two party politics. I guess the Tories will definitely be needing your vote.
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Sure fire Lib Dem here in these parts Shakey

ruggedtoast

Well it seems pretty straight forward. To win a second referendum all Sturgeon has to do is stop older people voting, stop homeowners and higher earners voting, stop anyone resident in Scotland who wasn't born there from voting, and ensure that Scots who have moved to the rest of the UK dont get a vote.

Nice. Well that is democracy for bigots, silence everyone who might not agree with you.

Shakethedisease

kabayiri wrote: »

Sure fire Lib Dem here in these parts Shakey

So was I, last time. Never again.

Shakethedisease

Generali wrote: »

So what about Dr Henderson's study, has it been misrepresented or is she a unionist stooge?

Let me guess, you don't have to answer that one because unionists.

What about it ? It was nothing to do with the SNP or 'nationalist groups' nor is it worrying. It was a study of the Scottish referendum and the statistics from it. The Daily Record highlighted (obviously ) the ones that made Labour look good/SNP bad. Hamish also linked to it earlier in the thread re the Vow. There's nothing new there, nor sinister. It was all over the Scottish papers about a week ago, then quickly forgotten.

Here's a 'unionist' view last week. Someone who lives in Scotland and isn't usually shy about raining on SNP's parade.

One last thing: the research suggests 52 percent of voters born in Scotland voted Yes compared to just 27 percent of those born elsewhere in the United Kingdom and 49 percent spawned overseas. It is to the SNP’s credit – and a sign of the party’s maturity – that they have not made anything of this, nor used it to whip up nativist sentiment. Other nationalist parties in other countries would not, I think, be so restrained. A reminder, too, that despite everything the referendum was, by the standards of these things, a civilised affair.

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2015/03/everything-yes-voters-believe-about-the-scottish-independence-referendum-is-wrong-but-that-doesnt-matter/

You've and rugged have gotten completely the wrong end of the stick with this one. Nothing at all to do with 'nasty nationalists' spouting 'dangerous propaganda' ( as you can see if you bother reading the rest of Massie's article, which he actually does use in an attempt to rain on the SNP's parade )...

Leanne1812

Thank you Shakes,

You've been the only voice I agree with on here the last few pages fending of the dramatic hysterics we've become used to throughout this thread.

People can harp on and go all round the world looking to blame the nationalists for every wrong in the whole of the UK.

The truth is scots appear to like their message & politics. We appear to trust them more than we do the big 2 parties. What does that tell us? Why are they garnering such huge support - growing daily! I think more than 700 new members the day after the conference.

I can only speak for myself but I align more with the SNP than any other party right now, obviously I'm not alone. What are the big 2 doing wrong that they don't seem to be getting support from Scotland? This is what they need to start asking themselves. For me voting Tory or labour will give the same outcome. The SNP offer an alternative which I prefer.

String, I am a scots born working homeowner so where does that square with what you say about who likes SNP? If I can go back to the Yes movement is say that SNP supporters are very diverse. I think I can say that collectively we think change at the heart of gov is needed. Is it a protest vote? Who knows.......another few weeks and we'll see if our democracy is quite as democratic as it claims to be.

Generali

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Shakethedisease wrote: »

What about it ? It was nothing to do with the SNP or 'nationalist groups' nor is it worrying. It was a study of the Scottish referendum and the statistics from it. The Daily Record highlighted (obviously ) the ones that made Labour look good/SNP bad. Hamish also linked to it earlier in the thread re the Vow. There's nothing new there, nor sinister. It was all over the Scottish papers about a week ago, then quickly forgotten.

Here's a 'unionist' view last week. Someone who lives in Scotland and isn't usually shy about raining on SNP's parade.

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2015/03/everything-yes-voters-believe-about-the-scottish-independence-referendum-is-wrong-but-that-doesnt-matter/

You've and rugged have gotten completely the wrong end of the stick with this one. Nothing at all to do with 'nasty nationalists' spouting 'dangerous propaganda' ( as you can see if you bother reading the rest of Massie's article, which he actually does use in an attempt to rain on the SNP's parade )...

So not smear and fear any more?

CLAPTON

Leanne1812 wrote: »

Who knows.......another few weeks and we'll see if our democracy is quite as democratic as it claims to be.

whatever does that mean ?

if the result is 'wrong' then it will show how undemocratic the system is

if however the result is 'right' then democracy triumphs?

Leanne1812

CLAPTON wrote: »

whatever does that mean ?

if the result is 'wrong' then it will show how undemocratic the system is

if however the result is 'right' then democracy triumphs?

From what I read it appears the SNP will not be welcome to have any influence in Westminster. If the scots people vote for a majority of SNP MP's is that democratic?

CLAPTON

Leanne1812 wrote: »

From what I read it appears the SNP will not be welcome to have any influence in Westminster. If the scots people vote for a majority of SNP MP's is that democratic?

I'm not responsible for the rubbish you read but
Of course it is democratic:
so of course will other outcomes : but maybe not to you?