Free water on aeroplane

George_Michael

budgetflyer wrote: »

Show me one incident in the last 50 years of anyone dying from stored water ?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/teenage-footballer-drowns-ayia-napa-4153298

George_Michael

pogofish wrote: »

No it didn't!

This parcel got passed down to local authorities to implement at local level via their licensing/planning conditions. So some did, some didn't. You would need to check the individual policies for the area concerned - and don't be surprised to find that even where this is is in the licensing conditions, compliance/enforcement can be quite pathetic.

Yes it did and it is nothing to do with local licensing conditions.
The government guidance to the Licensing act 2003 states that :

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The responsible person, (see paragraph 10.56) must ensure that free potable tap water is provided
on request to customers where it is reasonably available on the premises.

What is meant by reasonably available is a question of fact; for example, it would not be
reasonable to expect free tap water to be available in premises for which the water supply had temporarily been lost because of a broken mains water supply.

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/228955/9781849873499.pdf

agrinnall

I flew with FlyBe yesterday and noticed that the flight attendant filled up a water jug from the tap in the toilet - I don't generally take any of the in-flight refreshments on offer, but that put me off changing my mind this time.

talktalktobt

Airlines should provide you with water if you are delayed on an aircraft. I was once delayed for 3.5 hours on an AA Eagle in Newark during a thunder storm... (it was too dangerous to take off and too dangerous to return to the terminal :think:) they were kind enough to give us a dribble of water in a massive plastic cup.

Whether this is law or not should not be the case. It should be what is morally right.

Inflight, I would assume complimentary water is a time-stipulated issue. You always seem to get one of those ridiculous cartons of water with the foil lid ever 3 hours or so (normally with a meal)

callum9999

talktalktobt wrote: »

Airlines should provide you with water if you are delayed on an aircraft. I was once delayed for 3.5 hours on an AA Eagle in Newark during a thunder storm... (it was too dangerous to take off and too dangerous to return to the terminal :think:) they were kind enough to give us a dribble of water in a massive plastic cup.

Whether this is law or not should not be the case. It should be what is morally right.

Inflight, I would assume complimentary water is a time-stipulated issue. You always seem to get one of those ridiculous cartons of water with the foil lid ever 3 hours or so (normally with a meal)

You get offered water because the airline's policy is you can have as much free water as you want. Other airlines - i.e. the budget carriers - charge for water.

mgdavid

George_Michael wrote: »

Yes it did and it is nothing to do with local licensing conditions.
The government guidance to the Licensing act 2003 states that :

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/228955/9781849873499.pdf

No it didn't. In your own words your link is 'guidance'.
Secondly do you understand who administers and grants licences under the Act? Local Authorities!

George_Michael

mgdavid wrote: »

No it didn't. In your own words your link is 'guidance'.
Secondly do you understand who administers and grants licences under the Act? Local Authorities!

Yes, I know exactly what guidance means, but I also know exactly what the word "must" means.

The responsible person, (see paragraph 10.56) must ensure that free potable tap water is provided on request to customers where it is reasonably available on the premises

and yes, I also know who issues licences, but even though they are issued by the local authority, those licenses are still issued under the requirements of the licensing act 2003 and the LA can't simply decide to ignore or amend certain section of the act.
They can decide not to follow the guidance but only if they are able to provide a reasonable excuse as to why they have done so, but they are still required to follow the guidelines to the best of their ability.

However, the guidance cannot anticipate every possible scenario or set of circumstances that may arise and as long as licensing authorities have properly understood the Guidance they may depart from it if they have reason to do so as long as they are able to provide full reasons. Departure from the Guidance could give rise to an appeal or judicial review, and the reasons given will then be a key consideration for the courts when considering the lawfulness and merits of any decision taken

Armorica

"reasonably available on the premises" is the legal wording; that clearly would exclude airplanes who have no ready supply of potable water.

George_Michael

Armorica wrote: »

"reasonably available on the premises" is the legal wording; that clearly would exclude airplanes who have no ready supply of potable water.

I totally agree.
My point about the requirements of the UK licensing reg's wasn't aimed specifically at aircraft but was in response to this comment:

Hi all, I noticed a legislation came into force a few years ago regarding free water in eating establishments i.e if a restaurant/cafe/bar sold alcohol, then legally they have to provide a glass of tap water free of charge

DTDfanBoy

Aircraft do not need to be licensed to sell alcohol so there's no real point arguing the finer points of the legislation

Many of the UK's airports are also exempt from licensing controls, there's nothing better than a glass of bubbly at 7am to kick off your holiday :beer: