Advice about solving noise urgently needed

Norman_Castle

Meaning of “anti-social behaviour”

(1)In this Part “anti-social behaviour” means—

(a)conduct that has caused, or is likely to cause, harassment, alarm or distress to any person,

(b)conduct capable of causing nuisance or annoyance to a person in relation to that person’s occupation of residential premises, or

(c)conduct capable of causing housing-related nuisance or annoyance to any person.

Gordon_Hose

How do you prove it's not just noise from children playing?

Gordon_Hose

Norman_Castle wrote: »

Meaning of “anti-social behaviour”

(1)In this Part “anti-social behaviour” means—

(a)conduct that has caused, or is likely to cause, harassment, alarm or distress to any person,

(b)conduct capable of causing nuisance or annoyance to a person in relation to that person’s occupation of residential premises, or

(c)conduct capable of causing housing-related nuisance or annoyance to any person.

You actually think children playing is anti-social behaviour?

Gordon_Hose

MJK4711 wrote: »

Absolutely right Norman Castle.

They could definitely do more to try and help me. Any flat dweller must expect to make concessions for their neighbours, including their children. Not forgetting I could quite easily make their lives a misery aswell.

I am not a petty person and I don't want to get involved in a game of tit for tat with them. I love children and I have always got on great with my neighbours, when I previously lived in a flat and houses.

All I am asking is if the parents could try and control the running and especially the jumping off of the furniture.

They have a garden with a big trampoline in it funnily enough. It would be nice if they used it a bit more often.

As I have been saying all along, you can ask them to try and control their children, but they don't have to.

They are under no obligation to stop their children doing anything.

This is the point I am trying to make, children playing is not considered nuisance noise. You can have a friendly chat with your upstairs neighbours, but at the end of the day you cannot force them to stop their children jumping and running in their own flat.

MJK4711

Gordon Hose if my neighbours would, as you said you would do with your son if you lived in a flat, keep it down in the early mornings and evenings then that would be brilliant. But they don't. I am woken up every morning. Sometimes as early as 5am. It can go on on the evening till gone 10 some nights.

Gordon_Hose

MJK4711 wrote: »

Gordon Hose if my neighbours would, as you said you would do with your son if you lived in a flat, keep it down in the early mornings and evenings then that would be brilliant. But they don't. I am woken up every morning. Sometimes as early as 5am. It can go on on the evening till gone 10 some nights.

And, which I have already said, in that case you need to keep a diary of when it starts at 5am or goes on at midnight and report it to environmental health.

Have a look/search on your councils website about nuisance noise, on there they should lay out what is, and isn't reasonable.

MJK4711

Its not considered a nuisance noise but believe me it is. I know they don't have to do anything but surely any decent person would try to help.

I cannot do any more than I have already. I have been polite, took sweets round to the kids when I went to complain to keep it civil and I have also done everything my HA asked me to.

So what's next? I give up my home? I doubt if I could even do that as anyone who came here would soon change their mind when they heard what they would have to live with.

MJK4711

I kept diary sheets for 3 months. It has made no difference. Council / Environmental Health won't help because the noise is created by children.

Gordon_Hose

I know it is nuisance noise to you, but by definition it isn't. I really do sympathise. My posts may come across as siding completely with the family above you, but I'm not. I'm just trying to inject the facts into the thread rather than the emotive side of the situation.

If the council and/or EH won't help regarding noise at unsociable hours (the underlined bit is important) then you need to escalate your complaint. You just need to find out who to! If they've said they can't do anything about noise during the day then they are right not to uphold your complaint, for the reasons I have stated numerous times already.

Norman_Castle

Gordon_Hose wrote: »

You actually think children playing is anti-social behaviour?

I've known a child break a tv by hitting it and another stab holes in a settee with a knife. They were just playing. "Children playing" does not excuse all behavior by children.

A parent knowingly allowing their children to continue to disrupt their neighbours life in this way is anti-social.