Advice about solving noise urgently needed

lulu_92

I'm curious Gordon Hose, what do you (or anyone else) class as unsociable hours?

This is for a problem I made a thread about ages ago but the problem hasn't really improved so I'm interested to see if I'm being unreasonable or not

Gordon_Hose

Norman_Castle wrote: »

I've known a child break a tv by hitting it and another stab holes in a settee with a knife. They were just playing. "Children playing" does not excuse all behavior by children.

A parent knowingly allowing their children to continue to disrupt their neighbours life in this way is anti-social.

What has any of that got to do with this thread? The children upstairs are playing, not stabbing the OP's sofa with a knife and smashing her TV up! If they are doing that in their own house, it is still not anti-social behaviour.

Children playing in their own house/flat during the day is not anti-social, nor is it classed as nuisance noise.

Gordon_Hose

lulu_92 wrote: »

I'm curious Gordon Hose, what do you (or anyone else) class as unsociable hours?

This is for a problem I made a thread about ages ago but the problem hasn't really improved so I'm interested to see if I'm being unreasonable or not

I think it could depend on the specific council and who looks at the complaint.

Personally I'd define it as 10pm til 7am.

MJK4711

Norman_Castle wrote: »

I've known a child break a tv by hitting it and another stab holes in a settee with a knife. They were just playing. "Children playing" does not excuse all behavior by children.

A parent knowingly allowing their children to continue to disrupt their neighbours life in this way is anti-social.

The mother let slip at mediation that HA had sent them a letter accusing them of anti-social behavior. I think that was the only reason she agreed to participate as they give the impression that they're just not interested, even though the father has been in my flat and commented himself how loud the noise was as he could hear it at the time.

At the end of the day these people are happy to let their kids "play" as they want to at all hours with no consideration for me living underneath.

My Housing officer just says whatever suits to get HA off the hook.

It's not looking that good for me is it?

JustinR1979

Seems it's last resort time, get noisy and disrupt their lives.
If they're put in your position they may realise what it's like and grow some compassion and decency.

Gordon_Hose

There is no specific level where noise becomes a nuisance set in law, it is all subjective and down to the investigating officer to decide whether the noise is unnacceptable or not.

Obviously EH are unwilling to investigate the OP's complaint because the noise is children playing.

You can of course take your own action in the magistrates court, but you would need to show you have done everything in your power to solve the issue, I suspect this includes mediation, and you would have to inform the upstairs neighbours in writing that you were taking them to court.

Gordon_Hose

This is also a useful link: http://www.environmentlaw.org.uk/rte.asp?id=115

MJK4711

Thanks GH

As I mentioned before I am waiting for Citizen's Advice to call me. I'll see what they suggest. It might come to nothing but it's worth a try.

Thanks to everyone for your advice. It's really helped to offload to be honest.

I'll keep you posted.

sniggings

Gordon_Hose wrote: »

What has any of that got to do with this thread? The children upstairs are playing, not stabbing the OP's sofa with a knife and smashing her TV up! If they are doing that in their own house, it is still not anti-social behaviour.

Children playing in their own house/flat during the day is not anti-social, nor is it classed as nuisance noise.

Clearly it means the actions of the children playing has consequences, if the playing affects someone else (or themselves, jumping off chairs can't be good for their bones either), such as playing with knifes then it's not allowed,why should jumping off chairs not be classed the same? both can affect someone else.

If playing is going to be held as some holy unbreakable rule, then we might as well give up on parenting altogether.

Horizon81

I've never know a thread go round and round so much. The bottom line is either move, live with it, or keep pushing and pushing the local authority's anti social behaviour team/housing association to take more action. Ultimately eviction is the only decent resolution for the OP. I would say the noisy family in question aren't going to change their ways any time soon.