Advice about solving noise urgently needed

lovinituk

Perhaps the parents upstairs are deliberately allowing their kids to do it in the hope it gets them moved to a house. But HA seem to have washed their hands of it so its a stalemate situation.

Gordon_Hose

Even if they were stopped from allegedly jumping off the sofa, they'd still make noise.

MJK4711

And they do Gordon Hose. I can hear them screaming, shouting, singing, crying etc but I can put up with this.

When they run it's like an extremely loud thunder which I hear all over my flat. Now and again I hear a bang that's as loud as a bomb going off. I have even dropped a cup before because it was that loud it frightened me.

When I spoke to the father I asked him what the loud bangs were and he said that it was the children jumping off the furniture.

So it's not alleged, it's fact.

Dan-Dan

MJK4711 wrote: »

That's not correct. I can tolerate the other noises I hear from the family above me. It's not perfect but I live in a flat and expected some noise.

At the end of the day I should not be expected to try and live through the unbelievable noise the children generate when they are running around and jumping off of furniture.

It's not even about blame. I don't blame the children and to be honest I think HA didn't realise it was going to be this bad maybe?

All I know is that living underneath this noise the past year has been an absolute nightmare. I have complained time after time, I have filled in diary sheets, I went to mediation, doing all this while I don't feel that well myself. The end result is that my HA have turned their backs on me and my neighbours above are happy to let their kids run all over their flat, jumping off of their furniture, for hours at a time, knowing how badly it affects me.

No one is to blame as such, but no one wants to accept responsibility.

Find out who your local councillor is , request a meeting , see if they can help poke someone somewhere

Norman_Castle

Gordon_Hose wrote: »

Some complete tosh in this thread, also a lot of assumptions. It's not bad parenting and it's not the children's fault.

This boils down to bad construction methods, plain and simple. Even if the children were calmed down you'd still hear movement, alarms, doors banging etc. I'd take a guess that even those noises would grate on the OP eventually. Basically, the upstairs neighbours wouldn't be able to be quiet enough, unless they develop the power to hover.

I can hear my neighbours alarm and I live in a Victorian terrace. Now, I thought construction methods had come on quite a bit from 1900, so if you can hear people walking about normally and alarms going off it points to stack em high, build em cheap methods of construction.

Like I said previously, I've lived in flats but they were built with concrete floors, result - no noise pollution.

The OP seems capable of distinguishing between reasonable and unreasonable noise. Its you thats insisting on one of two extremes. Either jumping off the furniture or absolute silence. The OP has has stated they accept releasable noise. Its you that is assuming they will complain about every sound.
I spend a lot of time with two brothers aged 5 and 6. They can be very noisy but they are also told to stop if what they are doing is unwelcome. They carry on playing very happily. Parent rightly control the behavior of their children in many ways. Children will not suffer from not being allowed to jump off the furniture. Teaching children not to jump off the furniture and to moderate their behavior if it is causing problems to others is good parenting. Its unlikely they will be allowed to behave this was elsewhere, at school or in others homes.

Norman_Castle

Gordon_Hose wrote: »

Even if they were stopped from allegedly jumping off the sofa, they'd still make noise.

They are not allegedly jumping off the sofa. The parents have stated that is what they are doing.

Gordon_Hose

And it's the parents prerogative to allow them to. Just because you, I, or anyone else, disagree doesn't make them bad parents.

My 3 year old son jumps and spins on the spot, makes a racket on our suspended wooden floors. Would I stop him doing it? Absolutely not.

If I lived in a flat I'd stop him doing it in the evening and early mornings, during the day he can do what he likes within reason.

I have already sympathised and empathised with the OP, and, like I have already said children playing whether that be jumping off the furniture or running about isn't nuisance noise. If it starts happening after 11pm and before 7am then the OP can go to the council and report it. Otherwise there is absolutely nothing that can be done about it.

The council need to look at the soundproofing and improve it. If they won't do that, and the OP won't budge and the parents won't stop their kids running about, then what? Mexican stand off because everyone is too stubborn to do anything.

Gordon_Hose

What noises are considered a nuisance?

This Department can take action for certain noises, such as:

• Amplified music or noise from radio, television or stereo
• Noise from DIY activities at unreasonable times
• Intruder alarms
• Persistent dog barking

Please remember this Department is an enforcement agency and you have to live near to the person you are complaining about. If we take enforcement action, you will be required to give a witness statement and you could be asked to attend court to give evidence against the person you are complaining about. This is not meant to scare or deter you but we do need to make you aware of this from the beginning.
We are normally unable to take action in relation to general living noise such as:

• Footsteps
• Flushing the toilet
• Washing machines, vacuum cleaners etc
• Moving furniture
• General talking
• Children playing/crying
• Slamming doors
• Shouting

Norman_Castle

Gordon_Hose wrote: »

And it's the parents prerogative to allow them to. Just because you, I, or anyone else, disagree doesn't make them bad parents.

Allowing the children to continue to make this unreasonable noise makes them bad tenants which is why the HA should take action.

MJK4711

Absolutely right Norman Castle.

They could definitely do more to try and help me. Any flat dweller must expect to make concessions for their neighbours, including their children. Not forgetting I could quite easily make their lives a misery aswell.

I am not a petty person and I don't want to get involved in a game of tit for tat with them. I love children and I have always got on great with my neighbours, when I previously lived in a flat and houses.

All I am asking is if the parents could try and control the running and especially the jumping off of the furniture.

They have a garden with a big trampoline in it funnily enough. It would be nice if they used it a bit more often.