Advice about solving noise urgently needed

sniggings

Horizon81 wrote: »

I've never know a thread go round and round so much. The bottom line is either move, live with it, or keep pushing and pushing the local authority's anti social behaviour team/housing association to take more action. Ultimately eviction is the only decent resolution for the OP. I would say the noisy family in question aren't going to change their ways any time soon.

agree, life is too short, the HA are not going to put extra sound proofing in, the OP could not afford to do it herself, as it's very very expensive and would not cover up the sounds of jumping off chairs.

seems the best solution is asking to be moved...the noisy !!!!!!s win again.

Gordon_Hose

sniggings wrote: »

Clearly it means the actions of the children playing has consequences, if the playing affects someone else (or themselves, jumping off chairs can't be good for their bones either), such as playing with knifes then it's not allowed,why should jumping off chairs not be classed the same? both can affect someone else.

If playing is going to be held as some holy unbreakable rule, then we might as well give up on parenting altogether.

Children playing with knives in their own home is a safety issue for the parents to deal with, it's still not anti-social. Children threatening their neighbours with said knives is anti-social. There's a difference.

I'm not even sure why it is being used as a comparison! Children making noise whilst playing and stabbing the sofa with a knife are two VERY different issues. Neither would be classed as an anti-social issue.

I have already quoted that children playing isn't classed as nuisance noise. So during waking hours there's not a lot either the council or EH will do, which is why the OP has run into a dead end. I have advised the OP to concentrate on noise during the "unsociable hours" as they will carry more weight in a complaint.

There isn't a cat in hells chance of securing an abatement order or eviction because children are playing. Unless you can PROVE the noise is being made deliberately.

sniggings

Gordon_Hose wrote: »

Children playing with knives in their own home is a safety issue for the parents to deal with, it's still not anti-social. Children threatening their neighbours with said knives is anti-social. There's a difference.

I'm not even sure why it is being used as a comparison! Children making noise whilst playing and stabbing the sofa with a knife are two VERY different issues. Neither would be classed as an anti-social issue.

I have already quoted that children playing isn't classed as nuisance noise. So during waking hours there's not a lot either the council or EH will do, which is why the OP has run into a dead end. I have advised the OP to concentrate on noise during the "unsociable hours" as they will carry more weight in a complaint.

There isn't a cat in hells chance of securing an abatement order or eviction because children are playing. Unless you can PROVE the noise is being made deliberately.

the point you are missing is, when does playing stop being playing, if we are saying anything a kid does is playing then that's just daft.

If those are then rules the the HA should not put kids in flats or sound proof them enough in case the kids decide they want to play with a hammer on the floor.

Gordon_Hose

I'm not missing any point, sniggings.

Unless you can prove the noise the children are making is deliberate to upset, intimidate, annoy, disrupt then there's nothing that can be done.

Playing load music is deliberate. Children running and jumping during play IS NOT deliberate (unless you can prove otherwise).

It doesn't matter whether you think letting your children jump off furniture is acceptable or not.

Children

Noisy children

Noisy children in themselves are not a ‘nuisance’. If someone is disturbed by a neighbour’s children, for example, a shift worker who wants to sleep during the day, the only real solution is a conciliatory approach to the neighbour.


From here: http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/england/housing_e/housing_problems_where_you_live_e/neighbour_disputes.htm

Norman_Castle

MJK4711 wrote: »

My Housing officer just says whatever suits to get HA off the hook.

It's not looking that good for me is it?

I had a visit from a housing officer about an ongoing noise complaint. Part of the problem was proving the music was to loud. On this visit the music was playing. Her first comment was it doesn't have to be that loud. Second comment was she wouldn't put up with it for five minutes. Despite this and endless other evidence they still avoided doing anything. Housing officers can be lazy and incompetent. Some are good but some just focus on the easy work and avoid actually doing anything.

You could try a formal complaint focusing on the anti-social aspect of the parents refusing to control this unnecessary noise and explain how much this is affecting you. Ask for further mediation with the focus on the parents agreeing to stop the unnecessary behavior.

Gordon_Hose

The parents don't have to agree to anything though.

Either the HA move the family, or the OP moves. If neither agrees then there's not much that can be done.

Norman_Castle

Gordon_Hose wrote: »

Children playing with knives in their own home is a safety issue for the parents to deal with, it's still not anti-social. Children threatening their neighbours with said knives is anti-social. There's a difference.

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Other people seem to understand this. You cannot excuse all behavior by children as "playing". The parents are responsible for the childrens behavior. They are being anti-social by doing nothing to stop it.

Norman_Castle

Gordon_Hose wrote: »

The parents don't have to agree to anything though.

That decision will be taken by the landlord.

Gordon_Hose

Norman_Castle wrote: »

Other people seem to understand this. You cannot excuse all behavior by children as "playing". The parents are responsible for the childrens behavior. They are being anti-social by doing nothing to stop it.

I understand perfectly, it is clearly you who doesn't understand.

Unless the OP can prove the children are jumping off the sofa deliberately to annoy her, then there is no "anti-social" about it.

Noisy children are not classed as a nuisance. I have already posted a few quotes to that effect, one from the CAB website.

You, on the other hand, are just making stuff up.

Gordon_Hose

Norman_Castle wrote: »

That decision will be taken by the landlord.

The LL being the HA who have already said they won't do anything because it is noise made by children.

Do keep up.