Advice about solving noise urgently needed

Norman_Castle

Gordon_Hose wrote: »

You, on the other hand, are just making stuff up.

I haven't made anything up. You're just unhelpfully arguing any point for the sake of it. I'm not wasting more time in a bickering match with you.

Gordon_Hose

Who's bickering?

Children playing is not noise nuisance, that is a fact. Feel free to prove me wrong with links to credible sources...

If they are doing it deliberately then that is a different matter. But how does one prove that it's deliberate and not play?

The burden of proof is on the OP as the complainant to show that the neighbours are being anti-social on purpose.

Sorry, but everything you've said is wrong.

sniggings

Gordon_Hose wrote: »

Unless the OP can prove the children are jumping off the sofa deliberately to annoy her, then there is no "anti-social" about it.


You, on the other hand, are just making stuff up.

The affect on other people determines what is anti -social, not the intent.

MJK4711

Whether noise created by children is deliberate or not it is not acceptable or fair that other people should have to suffer, especially when it is interfering with a basic human need such as sleep.

The children above me are not deliberately doing it, but the parents are deliberately not doing anything about it.

If they were playing music or doing DIY I would have a bit of back up, but as I've said before noise is noise and shouldn't be categorised into types. It's the levels that count.

Last night the children has some friends over. I'm sure that had a brilliant time playing whilst I was below them trying to sleep whilst it sounded like my ceiling was going to cave in.

Something needs to change. There are loads of people in my position I have seen on other forums.

Maybe tenants with children should only be given ground floor flats? Or the flats should be of a standard that allows for the excessive noise they might create?

At the end of the day I am living in a nightmare through no fault of my own.

Doozergirl

MJK4711 wrote: »

Whether noise created by children is deliberate or not it is not acceptable or fair that other people should have to suffer, especially when it is interfering with a basic human need such as sleep.

The children above me are not deliberately doing it, but the parents are deliberately not doing anything about it.

If they were playing music or doing DIY I would have a bit of back up, but as I've said before noise is noise and shouldn't be categorised into types. It's the levels that count.

Last night the children has some friends over. I'm sure that had a brilliant time playing whilst I was below them trying to sleep whilst it sounded like my ceiling was going to cave in.

Something needs to change. There are loads of people in my position I have seen on other forums.

Maybe tenants with children should only be given ground floor flats? Or the flats should be of a standard that allows for the excessive noise they might create?

At the end of the day I am living in a nightmare through no fault of my own.

It would make sense for them to be ground floor, but you have the ground floor flat, as do your elderly neighbours, presumably because you need level access. Otherwise the sensible solution would be to swap flats!

I can't see how a young family could keep small children from doing what small children do when they have no garden of their own either. It's inappropriate housing for a family. Better than nothing but inappropriate. Better off providing lifts and good access and allowing disabled/elderly to live in flats.

MJK4711

They have a garden albeit they have to come out of their front door and go round the side.

It just seems it wasn't thought through. It would have been a better option if they had given them my flat and I could have waited a bit longer. As I said before I could have checked it out a bit better but the HA assured me when I viewed the soundproofing was above British Standards which I stupidly assumed meant I wouldn't be affected to this level. The flat above was also vacant when I moved in so it was absolute bliss for 6 weeks until they took residence.

Norman_Castle

I live in one of seven flats in a converted Victorian house. Converted in the 1970s there is no additional soundproofing between floors. At times children here have been noisy but as it is occasional and controlled by parents it has never become a problem. Children can and will be noisy but containing overly noisy or boisterous behaviour is not difficult or harmful. The vast majority of parents already do this because they don't want the noise. These parents appear happy to ignore the noise. Unfortunately this is at your expense which is not fair on you.
Formally complain and ask for further mediation with the aim of getting these parents to understand they have a responsibility to their neighbors.

OP You have already stated the HA considered this a noise nuisance which is why your neighbor agreed to previous mediation. You've also stated the neighbors are not doing as agreed during mediation. The HA and housing officer have limited time and will step away from this if allowed to. This is not an easy option for you so you need to keep pushing the landlord to stay involved.

Gordon_Hose

Unfortunately you can't tell a parent how they control their children. Well you can, but expect a barrage of abuse back!

People have different ideas on how children should be brought up. Personally I am quite strict and set very clear boundaries, if those boundaries are crossed then there are consequences.

Others don't set boundaries at all, others set some and don't enforce them... and so on, and so forth.

You can't go around telling people how they should be bringing up their children.

MJK4711

Yes I understand that. I just think that they could do more to help.

Gordon_Hose

They could, but they don't have to.

Sorry for labouring the point, but it is important.