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fairy_lights

sacsquacco wrote: »

Everyone in the UK today should follow a strict diabetic diet. Dont get involved in any other diet which appears in the media.All the heads of the NHS agree with me. Once anyone starts on a true diabetic diet you are going back to a natural diet which will force you to walk into

And what exactly is a diabetic diet? none of the diabetics I know follow any special diets, unless you count insulin as a side salad...

First_Trouble

"Insulin as a side salad" :rotfl:
My BIL is a diabetic and his diet is atrocious, high in processed, refined foods and not much fresh fruits and veggies. His doctor although not happy with his eating habits is very happy with his readings. He exercises a lot, a mixture of heavy weight and he is black belt in a Jujitsu. I think it will catch up with him one day though. You can lead a horse to water....

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fairy_lights wrote: »

And what exactly is a diabetic diet? none of the diabetics I know follow any special diets, unless you count insulin as a side salad...

Absolute rubbish.You are a complete idiot coming out with guff like that.We all have visits to our surgery and discuss diets with diabetic nurses at a clinic on a 6 monthly basis with regular blood tests which can show how we have been coping the previous 3 months.Its a very strict regime where even so called healthy stuff like bananas apples and grapes orange juice and blueberries. are off the menu.don t come on here dishing out lies to win a point. a true diabetic diet is very strict.there are many i suppose who dont follow it and those will be the ones going blind or facing amputations.If YOU ever take notice of the news you will have seen that the future for people brought up in the sugary 1970 s on is a bleak one. Just look at the state of people in the UK nowadays with over a third of UK adults in the obese category.Many on this fitness/ weigh loss section will end up with type 2 diabetes.That is a certainty.From what I ve read so far I m astounded at the sugary junk you are consuming under the belief it is healthy..It is nt .even the humble banana has recently been shown to be sugary junk food, containing so much fructose sugar it makes a mars bar seem healthy
I m talking about late onset type 2 diabetes which is completely different from the insulin injectors of type 1 where it is an auto immune disease not a diet lifestyle disease. Fairy light..you are connected to the internet..get on it and google it for info, dont come out with puerile quips like " and what exactly is a diabetic diet "..Find out for your self

Angry_Bear

sacsquacco wrote: »

even the humble banana has recently been shown to be sugary junk food, containing so much fructose sugar it makes a mars bar seem healthy

I don't know enough about diabetic requirements (other than low sugar) to comment on the rest of your post. But this part is complete balderdash, to the point of being dangerous misinformation.

Banana's have 12g of (natural) sugars per 100g. Mars bars have 20.8g in one 37g bar.
Also, bananas have a lot more nutrients than mars bars and a lot less fat. They have about 6 grams of fiber, 4.7 grams of protein and are the 29th food with the most potassium per serving. Bananas are also a very good source of vitamin B6.

Sweets like Mars Bars contain refined sugar which give an instant hit but will leave you hungry pretty quick after. Bananas (and other fruit) contain natural sugar which releases quite slowly because it is bonded to the fibre content.

Fruit can be high in natural sugar, which may be a complete no-no for diabetics, and should generally be eaten in moderation, but to call fruit "junk food" and suggest it is worse for you than Mars Bars is total tosh.

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Angry_Bear wrote: »

I don't know enough about diabetic requirements (other than low sugar) to comment on the rest of your post. But this part is complete balderdash, to the point of being dangerous misinformation.

Banana's have 12g of (natural) sugars per 100g. Mars bars have 20.8g in one 37g bar.
Also, bananas have a lot more nutrients than mars bars and a lot less fat. They have about 6 grams of fiber, 4.7 grams of protein and are the 29th food with the most potassium per serving. Bananas are also a very good source of vitamin B6.

Sweets like Mars Bars contain refined sugar which give an instant hit but will leave you hungry pretty quick after. Bananas (and other fruit) contain natural sugar which releases quite slowly because it is bonded to the fibre content.

Fruit can be high in natural sugar, which may be a complete no-no for diabetics, and should generally be eaten in moderation, but to call fruit "junk food" and suggest it is worse for you than Mars Bars is total tosh.

You keep going on about "natural " sugars in bananas as if white sugar is nt natural also.Its virtually the same stuff and is every bit as " natural " as any fructose sugars found in any fruit. Its just refined out of "natural " sugar cane and "natural "sugar beet.Ok I grabbed at a mars bars with out the research you ve just gone and googled to make a stupid point. sugar is sugar whether its sucrose, fructose, maltose, lactose or glucose..all natural and all high in calories whether its in a fruit or a bag of Tate and Lyle
The very first thing my diabetic doctor told me, a 3 bananas a day very active 15 miles a day walker in my job, was to ditch bananas completely as they are unsafe for me. They will spike my blood sugar levels almost as quickly as a mars bar, and so will apples and grapes. They are not slow release fruits .tennis players are always having a bite of banana all through their matches.His phrase was "we are not monkeys "they are not unsafe to non diabetics I might add but it comes a shock to many just how high they are in fructose sugars and anyone dieting or anyone not wanting to become diabetic in their fifties. they have some fibre, which is good , but they really can bung on the weight if overdone, just like mars bars can with their "natural " sucrose sugars.
The way the supermarkets are now , we all have to be in on the truth as to what we are consuming, I mean, they even add sugar to our bread, white and wholemeal. The supermarkets and food manufacturers need to be reined in and legislated against. The heads of the NHS all say it. I remember a BBC prog a few years ago which did an in depth 1 hour prog on how our "healthy and natural " foods in the supermarkets are all making us fat ! and bananas are in that list.

Gloomendoom

You need to add sugar to bread. It's what the yeast feeds on to make it rise.

Angry_Bear

sacsquacco: I gather from your posts that you must be diabetic, which probably means you have a good understanding of the specific diet that is required for your condition. However, if you're going to make more general comments, I really suggest you do a bit more research on foods, as I think you have misunderstood some things. When I talk about "natural" sugars, I mean as different from "refined" as the terms are normally used in food and health discussions. See here for a good description: http://www.cancercenter.com/discussions/blog/natural-vs-refined-sugars-whats-the-difference/

Both are sugars, both will make you fate if you eat too much, both are bad for your teeth and both are "naturally occurring", but there is a difference in how they are incorporated into foods, and therefore how your body metabolises them. It may well be that any sugar is off limits for diabetics (as I said, this isn't something I know anything about), in which case there is no need for you to differentiate. But for most people it does make a difference, as the different "type" of sugar will affect how much or how little benefit you get from food with respect to satisfying hunger and nutritional content.

fairy_lights

sacsquacco wrote: »

Absolute rubbish.You are a complete idiot coming out with guff like that.We all have visits to our surgery and discuss diets with diabetic nurses at a clinic on a 6 monthly basis with regular blood tests which can show how we have been coping the previous 3 months.Its a very strict regime where even so called healthy stuff like bananas apples and grapes orange juice and blueberries. are off the menu.don t come on here dishing out lies to win a point. a true diabetic diet is very strict.there are many i suppose who dont follow it and those will be the ones going blind or facing amputations.If YOU ever take notice of the news you will have seen that the future for people brought up in the sugary 1970 s on is a bleak one. Just look at the state of people in the UK nowadays with over a third of UK adults in the obese category.Many on this fitness/ weigh loss section will end up with type 2 diabetes.That is a certainty.From what I ve read so far I m astounded at the sugary junk you are consuming under the belief it is healthy..It is nt .even the humble banana has recently been shown to be sugary junk food, containing so much fructose sugar it makes a mars bar seem healthy
I m talking about late onset type 2 diabetes which is completely different from the insulin injectors of type 1 where it is an auto immune disease not a diet lifestyle disease. Fairy light..you are connected to the internet..get on it and google it for info, dont come out with puerile quips like " and what exactly is a diabetic diet "..Find out for your self

Ok, you have type 2 diabetes. What does that have to do with the OP's weightloss, or the efforts to lose weight of anyone who doesn't have type 2 diabetes?
The diet you follow is completely unnecessary for the vast majority of people, fruit is healthy and the occasional mars bar won't do any harm. Anything can make you fat if eaten in excess but most people don't eat fruit to excess. You can call me a 'complete idiot' if you like but you're the one who sounds a bit brainwashed.

Horseygirl123

Sacsquacco - did you check your blood glucose level after eating those bananas?

I bought a meter to see how my body responds to carbohydrates as my grandfather was diabetic and I have been overweight all my life. I have cut out all refined sugars but still eat fruit/potatoes//bread/rice etc. My blood glucose never go above 6.2 after eating those foods. Does that mean I should give still give them up? Am I walking slowly towards Type 2 diabetes.

Another thing I would like to ask you is why you told First Trouble that peanut butter was rubbishy/junk. Why? I'm genuinely interested as I always thought it was healthy and make my own. Alright it may be a bit calorific but wouldn't affect blood sugars in any way.

Gloomendoom

Horseygirl123 wrote: »

Another thing I would like to ask you is why you told First Trouble that peanut butter was rubbishy/junk. Why? I'm genuinely interested as I always thought it was healthy and make my own. Alright it may be a bit calorific but wouldn't affect blood sugars in any way.

Probably because of articles like this...

http://www.healthcentral.com/diabetes/c/17/163538/peanuts-managing-diabetes/

As ever, there are others that take the opposite view.