No one will do the job

mayonnaise

ukcarper wrote: »

There the lowest rents a 1 bed might reduce the cost by £200 a month. I think things are pretty bad when 50% of population can not afforded a family without state help.

Okay you started off by saying someone on NMW would struggle to rent a 2-bed house in your area.
Now we've established median wage is around 1.6k take home pay and average rent is less than £700, you're now waffling on about 1-bed place in your area.
I'm out.

ukcarper

mayonnaise wrote: »

Okay you started off by saying someone on NMW would struggle to rent a 2-bed house in your area.
Now we've established median wage is around 1.6k take home pay and average rent is less than £700, you're now waffling on about 1-bed place in your area.
I'm out.

No where have I said average rent in my area is £700 most 1 bed flats are more than that and I didn't say they would struggle I said they couldn't unless you think people can live on nothing. It would be extremely difficult for a couple with children with one of them earning a median wage to rent a 2 bed house and live without benefits.

jjlandlord

How to pin another issue on the EU's back. Well done.

Steve_Perry_2

CLAPTON wrote: »

one speculates what the company would do if there wasn't the option of importing cheap labour?


pay more?
don't make the product?
invest in automation of some sort?


what we all know is, that with a semi infinite supply of cheap labour, there is no real incentives to invest to become more productive.


our benefits system is of course a disincentive for people to better themselves or even get a job at all.

I tell you what why don't we encourage companies to pay a decent salary and then people wouldnt need to rely on the benefit system ?

CLAPTON

Steve_Perry wrote: »

I tell you what why don't we encourage companies to pay a decent salary and then people wouldnt need to rely on the benefit system ?

what do you mean?


do you mean increase the NMW?
if so what would the NMW need to be for everyone to avoid receiving benefits?


or do you mean create a better environment for investment so that each worker produces more and so can be paid more?
if so how would we do that : restrict the sources of cheap labour? subsidise investment rather than people? or what?




why doesn't every country in the world pay decent wages? surely few governments actually wants their people to be poor?

ukcarper

CLAPTON wrote: »

what do you mean?


do you mean increase the NMW?
if so what would the NMW need to be for everyone to avoid receiving benefits?


or do you mean create a better environment for investment so that each worker produces more and so can be paid more?
if so how would we do that : restrict the sources of cheap labour? subsidise investment rather than people? or what?




why doesn't every country in the world pay decent wages? surely few governments actually wants their people to be poor?

The way I see it is we carry on subsidising wages and all pay through taxes or stop the subsidy and we pay through higher prices.

JWF

ukcarper wrote: »

I put the figure through for a more realistic part time wage of £8200 24hrs at min wage and it comes out at £24k increasing to 40hrs a week gives them an extra £200 a year.


Also if you are single and under 35 you will get nothing.

There is no doubt that the WTC system has some perverse effects, and the example above is a real indication of how perverse it actually can be in the real world.

By my reckoning, the extra 16 hours/week at NMW earns you a princely 26p per hour. Smashing. Where do I sign up? Or do I go for a 24hr job and sell a bit of tat on EBay as a sideline!

danothy

ukcarper wrote: »

The way I see it is we carry on subsidising wages and all pay through taxes or stop the subsidy and we pay through higher prices.

Maybe we should offset the withdrawal of taxation funded wage subsidy against deflation. Sort of like a massive meteorite plugging a super volcano just as it starts to erupt.

StevieJ

I know a Swedish guy who was a project manager, his view is that all British workers are lazy and he would prefer to bus workers in from abroad, obnoxious t***.

StevieJ

ukcarper wrote: »

The way I see it is we carry on subsidising wages and all pay through taxes or stop the subsidy and we pay through higher prices.

Increase the minimum wage, bring in free child care, and stop wage subsidies.