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Nodding_Donkey

I bet the pesky spark plugs and coils are missing completely. It's a common thing with diesels :rotfl:

OddballJamie

arcon5 wrote: »

Misfiring could also be as simple as spark plugs or coil pack.

none the less some of you guys should stick to motoring advice and not consumer protection advice since so much of what's posted on ops rights is quite simply incorrect.

Spark plugs on a diesel?

Maybe you should stick to not giving motoring advice.

motorguy

arcon5 wrote: »

Misfiring could also be as simple as spark plugs or coil pack.

none the less some of you guys should stick to motoring advice and not consumer protection advice since so much of what's posted on ops rights is quite simply incorrect.

So lets get this straight - you're telling people that they're giving bad advice on this thread, but you're just advised the o/p to check spark plugs and coil packs on a diesel car? :eek:

:rotfl:

motorguy

The bottom line is, an engine management light on is NOT a basis for rejection, however if it were to be diagnosed as a major problem, then that might be.

The whole "not fit for purpose" conclusion bemuses me. I got it sometimes when i was trading and it amused me as to how people applied it. Here we have someone declaring a car "not fit for purpose" because an engine management light on which is frankly ludicrous. Whatever next - a headlight bulb out warning light on means a car is "not fit for purpose" because someone could have an accident at night??? Think of the children!!!

harveybobbles

Probably be the DPF needs a regen or it has a leaky injector.

We had one guy a few years ago who was moaning because his engine light came on the same day as he picked up his 2002 BMW 318i.

He was screaming and shouting down the phone, reading us the riot act, wanting the book thrown at us... Invited him down so we could plug it in...

Still screaming and shouting in the office, infront of customers.

The fault? He's been messing with the oil cap and not fitted it correctly.

We told him, infront of other customers to refrain from messing with the car and sent him on his way.

gycraig_2

maybe before looking for solutions on the internet you could actually speak to the person involved, he might just go "fk it i cba with agro have your money back" or go "heres a lease car leave it with me for an hour and have 200 quid back as compensation"

going in all guns blazing with pieces of paper of bro law is just gonna get his back up

motorguy

gycraig wrote: »

maybe before looking for solutions on the internet you could actually speak to the person involved, he might just go "fk it i cba with agro have your money back" or go "heres a lease car leave it with me for an hour and have 200 quid back as compensation"

going in all guns blazing with pieces of paper of bro law is just gonna get his back up

I agree, other than why would the dealer give back £200 of compensation for meeting his obligations and fixing a fault?

atrixblue.-MFR-.

can someone please, please, please tell me where in the SOGA it states the buyer must allow the seller a chance to repair.


because I CONNOT find it!!.


OP to note the time frame here 9 hours, SOGA part 35 acceptance is applicable.


Also, there is nothing to suggest in SOGA thet You MUST allow the garage to repair even if you do allow a repair this is not acceptance of the vehicle.
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1979/54

motorguy

atrixblue.-MFR-. wrote: »

can someone please, please, please tell me where in the SOGA it states the buyer must allow the seller a chance to repair.


because I CONNOT find it!!.


OP to note the time frame here 9 hours, SOGA part 35 acceptance is applicable.


Also, there is nothing to suggest in SOGA thet You MUST allow the garage to repair even if you do allow a repair this is not acceptance of the vehicle.
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1979/54

Ok, heres how it is.

If a car develops a fault, the trader must be given the opportunity to inspect the car. Upon inspection, if he decides that it is a fault and not just wear and tear (not applicable in this instance) then he can opt to refund, repair or replace. This is HIS choice and based on whats best for his business. So, for example if you bought a £1,000 car and it needed a £2,000 repair, then the dealer would probably opt to refund or replace with a similar acceptable car.

Your other option is to REJECT the car, on the basis that you have not yet accepted it. Acceptance is not considered to have happened for several weeks after purchase. The longer after purchase you try to reject the less likely it is to be a valid rejection. But typically it might be 4-6 weeks.

BUT you cannot just reject the car for a minor fault. It has to be a major failure, and you must put the car beyond use. ie, you would need to hand the car back to the dealer along with the keys and a letter of rejection. OR a letter of rejection and demonstrate the car is not being used - parked up in a driveway or at a garage. You CANNOT reject a car and continue to drive it. This is important should it end up in court. You cant have rejected a car if you are still driving around in it.

The dealer may not accept your rejection of the car. If thats the case, you would have to take it through the courts. Rocking up and saying i reject the car because there is an engine management light on does not mean the dealer HAS to refund you.

IF it turns out that the car has a major fault, upon the dealer inspecting it, you could potentially reject at that point - "this car needs a new cylinder head and turbo, therefore i am rejecting it". OR if it takes several attempts and its still not resolved then you could reject it on that basis.

If it turns out to be a DPF needs cleaned or an EGR valve problem then thats not a major fault.

One thing i wouldnt be doing is poking around at the car. The O/P has said they've had a code reader on it, etc, etc. I would not be doing that. The dealer could wash his hands of the situation and say the car has been tampered with.

Personally - those 1.6HDIs are a torture of an engine. the fault is probably linked to the DPF, but this in turn will have clogged the EGR valve, which in turn makes the turbo work harder which can cause it to fail (along with poor oilways). Also the ECU is not very good at giving specifics of the fault causing the problem, so you end up having to "fix" or replace several things before actually hitting the problem. This can be costly and time consuming.

I resold one of these in 110BHP XSI form with 57k miles and a full peugeot history. Pig of a thing. Took us about 5 attempts and £1,000 to sort out a very similar problem.

I dont think the O/P is helping themselves with their attitude. I think it could very easily entrench the situation and the dealer could just stall and play hardball for months.

Conversely though, theres a small chance the dealer will think "i cant be arsed dealing with this tool" and give him his money back.

jaydeeuk1

motorguy wrote: »

Ok, heres how it is.
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BUT you cannot just reject the car for a minor fault. It has to be a major failure,
If it turns out to be a DPF needs cleaned or an EGR valve problem then thats not a major fault.

Who decides whether it is a major fault, the buyer, the dealer or the court?
On a £4000 car a dealer might think a major fault is the car splitting to two halves or engine exploding, I would argue a major fault be the gearbox dropping in the car meaning its undrivable if gears can't be engadged. Dealer could say its just a mount. On the other hand, the dash might just show a faulty airbag light which initially you might consider minor, but if every airbag needed replacing (on an IQ thats 9 @ £400 each) thats £3600 to make it roadworthy and although a 'minor' fault in that the car will still stop, start and drive fine, it will be far more expensive to sort than a gearbox mount.